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    The "Dickie" under the smock story?

    So what is the consensus on the story you hear that some SS men wore a 'dickie' of sorts under their smocks, made of just the top and collar of their tunic?
    I personally never believed this and still not sure , even after reading this post from someone on another chat site. Opinions please? Thanks, Michael

    "there are pictures of Das reich on the eastern front , with sleeves on smocks rolled up , revealing bare arms , our veteran of Das reich( the real one) has told us many soldiers cut a bib with collar attached and wore it under the camo smock ".
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    Pure BS in my opinion. Each man only had one wool tunic issued, why would they cut it up to just show a collar? Most likely they wore just the undershirt or Drillich tunic under the camouflage pull-over. I have also seen a photo of a 17th SS formation wearing the 44 Dot jacket underneath the pull-over.

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      I have seen smocks with camo collard made. It wouldn't surprise me if they also SOMETIMES had wool tunic collars, but why a full dickie? Seems pointless...collar I can understand, especially for officer, but not a bib. I think the whole bib thing is a BS reenactor myth, made for guys who want to look cool in smocks, but too old/out of shape to handle the heat properly...

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        #4
        Excuse my ignorance, but what is a "dickie"?

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          #5
          The "Dickie" under the smock story?

          Basically a bib
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            #6
            I don't know about the Dickie, I know we use to cut the lining out of one set of combats for summer and leave one for winter.Also use to sew socks on the end of sleeves on the combat jacket.Use to cut the sleeves down for short sleeves on the shirts in summer all against regulations.So don't see why they would be any different.

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              Dickie

              Ludwig - The "dickies" that were popular in the late 60's in America, were generally made of a thin wool or cotton-like material. They were often worn OVER a T-shirt, and under a standard long-sleeve men's shirt, or underneath a V-necked sweater, and it gave the illusion they're wearing a turtle-necked sweater underneath, but in reality, it was only a small rectangle of material attached to the neck area. The rectangle of material completely encircled the neck and hung down on both wearer's back and front about 6 or 7 inches. The Russian bloke in TV's spy show, "The Man From Uncle" always wore one. I think Steve McQueen often sported one of those, as well.
              As for the SS.........this style dickie was ONLY worn only by the early Allgemeine SS and SS-VT units, and was phased out by late 1935, but it later saw an unofficial revival among Waffen-SS officers until 1944, when it was strictly forbidden. SS commanders complained that it's wear generated a "cavalier" or "lais-sez-faire" attitude among the officer korps.
              Last edited by sgstandard; 03-04-2015, 08:07 PM.

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                #8
                A Nice collector theory from the mid 1980s.

                owen

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                  #9
                  Just out of interest, I seem to remember Dirk Bogarde in "The Password is Courage" wearing a such a dickie in the form of a Wehrmacht Officers tunic, as part of his escape kit. This of course would make perfect sense, as it was to be worn under a greatcoat and the escape commitee would not have wasted valuable material unnecessarily.

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                    #10
                    Thanks, guys, then I know.

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                      [QUOTE=sgstandard;6830973]Ludwig - The "dickies" that were popular in the late 60's in America, were generally made of a thin wool or cotton-like material. They were often worn OVER a T-shirt, and under a standard long-sleeve men's shirt, or underneath a V-necked sweater, and it gave the illusion they're wearing a turtle-necked sweater underneath, but in reality, it was only a small rectangle of material attached to the neck area. The rectangle of material completely encircled the neck and hung down on both wearer's back and front about 6 or 7 inches. The Russian bloke in TV's spy show, "The Man From Uncle" always wore one. I think Steve McQueen often sported one of those, as well.
                      As for the SS.........this style dickie was ONLY worn only by the early Allgemeine SS and SS-VT units, and was phased out by late 1935, but it later saw an unofficial revival among Waffen-SS officers until 1944, when it was strictly forbidden. SS commanders complained that it's wear generated a "cavalier" or "lais-sez-faire" attitude among the officer korps.[/QUOTE]

                      Is there a known example of one of these?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by napesica View Post
                        Basically a bib
                        I need one of these for Taco night!

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                          #13
                          To be honest, I think that they are still quite commonly used here!

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                            Dickie

                            Oh, I don't know if "dickies" were ever worn in combat. I was pulling everyone's leg. The dickie I was talking about is likely different than any one used by SS in combat.

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                              Originally posted by napesica View Post
                              So what is the consensus on the story you hear that some SS men wore a 'dickie' of sorts under their smocks, made of just the top and collar of their tunic?
                              I personally never believed this and still not sure , even after reading this post from someone on another chat site. Opinions please? Thanks, Michael

                              "there are pictures of Das reich on the eastern front , with sleeves on smocks rolled up , revealing bare arms , our veteran of Das reich( the real one) has told us many soldiers cut a bib with collar attached and wore it under the camo smock ".
                              I know the individual who posted this on the 'other' chat site - it's totally without provenance and defies any logic whatsoever. The reference to 'our veteran' (now deceased God bless him) telling this story is unlikely to be supported by anyone else. Reenactor fantasy to justify a dodgy impression!

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