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    #1

    SS dutch sleeve shield

    Hello
    I found this shield with many other insignias.
    What do you think about it ?
    Thanks in advance
    Best regards
    Eric
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    #2
    It looks rather " Home Made "
    Nevertheless ..... It wont be to everyone's taste
    Regards
    David

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      #3
      Dear David,

      Unfortunately I can not say if this one is real or not (for sure it does not compare to the originals we know) but please keep in mind that there are/were a lot of variations of the Dutch Sleeve shield.

      With a lot I mean really a lot.

      Best regards,

      Rene

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        #4
        Privately made for sure but i like it !
        The making is technically as it could have been at that time and i like
        the patina .
        Nick

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          #5
          Originally posted by Kuifje69 View Post
          Dear David,

          Unfortunately I can not say if this one is real or not (for sure it does not compare to the originals we know) but please keep in mind that there are/were a lot of variations of the Dutch Sleeve shield.

          With a lot I mean really a lot.

          Best regards,

          Rene

          Rene .....
          Don't get me wrong I wasn't condemning it
          Regards
          David

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            #6
            Its a private made one mimicking a Dachau shield...and as far as I know the Dachau Depot shield never got circulated to the Dutch...
            So why make a similar pattern of the official one?

            The Danes, Estonians, French, Latvian, Finns and Albanians on the other hand did get there's!
            I've always wondered about that...(nor did the Italian one get issued)

            Maybe this one, if real, is proof that the official Dachau Dutch one did leave the Dachau depot!
            There is just no photographic proof!

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              #7
              I absolutely agree with Nick and I also have never seen the Dachau or this type of shield being worn. I'm also puzzle with shield on the one hand the thread and embroidery does look Dutch style but the reverse does not but anything is possibly.

              Rene Chavez
              www.foreignvolunteerlegion.com

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                #8
                Looking at the construction of this shield I dont think it would last too long in the field either, it would get pulled to bits?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by istra63 View Post
                  Looking at the construction of this shield I dont think it would last too long in the field either, it would get pulled to bits?
                  Yes but its still a legit and known (albeit fragile) period construction method...here's one attached originally to uniform that I own.
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                    #10
                    I thought someone would pull that example out. Your shield NickG is the first one I have seen with that pointed shield shape that has the diagonal running down to the left.

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                      #11
                      Nick, now I'm curious. Is it possible to see the whole tunic?

                      On topic: the shield is a bit weird, but for some reason I like it.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by frits00 View Post
                        Nick, now I'm curious. Is it possible to see the whole tunic?

                        On topic: the shield is a bit weird, but for some reason I like it.
                        Sure!
                        It was erroneously described and sold here in the States as Dutch SS, misidentified initially as Dutch NAD,(same color wool, similar uniform style...) and finally identified with certainty as final pattern
                        Dutch NOC, incredibly rare!
                        It is probably the only Dutch TR related tunic left on this planet that still has the Dutch shield period applied and the only NOC tunic that survived. (I only know of one NOC overcoat also surviving)...
                        It's never been stripped and covered and identified in this thread:

                        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...&highlight=Noc

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by istra63 View Post
                          ... Your shield NickG is the first one I have seen with that pointed shield shape that has the diagonal running down to the left.
                          Well noticed , this is because the shield is for the N.O.C. .
                          Same type of construction , but on GREEN wool instead of black , and indeed the colours run in opposite direction .. !
                          Here's one from a dealers site ;
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                            #14
                            Here's my own example compared to a ( worn ) Dutch Legion shield - notice the direction of the colours .
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by NickG View Post
                              Sure!
                              It was erroneously described and sold here in the States as Dutch SS, misidentified initially as Dutch NAD,(same color wool, similar uniform style...) and finally identified with certainty as final pattern
                              Dutch NOC, incredibly rare!
                              It is probably the only Dutch TR related tunic left on this planet that still has the Dutch shield period applied and the only NOC tunic that survived. (I only know of one NOC overcoat also surviving)...
                              It's never been stripped and covered and identified in this thread:

                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...&highlight=Noc
                              For NOC indeed, and I know of one more complete NOC tunic in a collection in Holland, tunic and trousers, and if I remember correct also another coat with that set.

                              Regards Jim

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