M44/M45 SS dot pattern tunic

[kammo man]

Prove your evidence of war time manufacture and use.

[naxos]

I want evidence for your postwar production theory which you cannot provide.

The evidence is in the overwhelming likelihood that the garment was altered (made) after the war.
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Now, there is a very, very slim chance that it could have been done in the last month's of the war - but without concrete evidence for that, logic dictates to assume the much more likely first.

So, providing poof of originality lies with the person that proclaims this tunic it is an unaltered WWII German uniform item. Not the other way around.

[Thorsten B.]

I have owned one just like this made post war.

You surely must have saved pics of that unique beauty - feel free to post them to underline your statement.
It will be a great valuable add to this thread.

[kammo man]

Let's see what you have thorsten.
I have made my point loud and clear.
Your point is .........

Well just what is your point ?

That you like to argue just for the sake of arguing ?

[Thorsten B.]

Let's see what you have thorsten.
I have made my point loud and clear.
Your point is .........

Well just what is your point ?

That you like to argue just for the sake of arguing ?

So you have no photo left of your mentioned unique postwar piece made of SS camo?

Did it even exist?

And no - point is that we have the possibility here that this specific piece is authentic means wartime production just exactly in the way it is now.

Between being an authentic wartime production piece and postwar production is a huge difference in regards to it´s actual market value.

And you know that.

[naxos]

- point is that we have the possibility here that this specific piece is authentic means wartime production just exactly in the way it is now.
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.... but proof lies with the one that makes the claim.

[kammo man]

You are the one crying about it not me.

Let's see some wooden plates and see if they were made post war like the jacket ?
It's a good place to start.

[Thorsten B.]

You are the one crying about it not me.

Let's see some wooden plates and see if they were made post war like the jacket ?
It's a good place to start.

Your replacement activities indicate that you are left with no real arguments and got yourself into a weak position.

Just feel free and share pics of the many, many SS camo pieces of postwar production which you mentioned.

Or even better: Can anyone provide us with a pic showing these SS camo postwar production pieces in postwar use by Germans in Germany?

[CWP]

The evidence is in the overwhelming likelihood that the garment was altered (made) after the war.
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Now, there is a very, very slim chance that it could have been done in the last month's of the war - but without concrete evidence for that, logic dictates to assume the much more likely first.

So, providing poof of originality lies with the person that proclaims this tunic it is an unaltered WWII German uniform item. Not the other way around.

Well said. There are mountains of wartime German uniform items that were altered for postwar wear, and a much smaller body of evidence that some few uniform items were altered in similar ways and worn by soldiers during the war. With no proof either way, the largest probability by far is postwar alteration.

[kammo man]

Not weak but bored with your wooden plate arguments that go nowhere.


Owen

[Thorsten B.]

Not weak but bored with your wooden plate arguments that go nowhere.

Now you even contradict yourself.

Just let it go.

[Beau Brummel.]

I think Fritz Is absolutely right and this Is a modified twill wrapper, a Ravensbruck piece to boot I believe.

There Is no way of knowing when the conversion took place but I think the balance of probability points to post war. Whatever the case It's still a very attractive piece and would display well In a late war Impression.

There are a large amount of post war modified pieces out there In this and other patterns and they used to turn up regularly at the Frankfurt flea market amongst others many years ago. One of the nicest (and funniest) I ever saw was a 44 jacket converted for 'Ooompah' usage with a green Nehru collar, green cuffs and acorn motifs, truly hilarious but very cool, you would have loved It Owen.

It's probably seven or eight years since I've posted here so please forgive the Imposition gentlemen.

Yours, Guy.

[kammo man]

You know I love wacky stuff Guy !
And work wear being one of my favorite little subjects.
As well as war party clothes.

[NickG]

I think Fritz Is absolutely right and this Is a modified twill wrapper, a Ravensbruck piece to boot I believe.
Since there is no way of knowing when the conversion took place but I think the balance of probability points to post war. Whatever the case It's still a very attractive piece and would display well In a late war Impression.

There are a large amount of post war modified pieces out there In this and other patterns and they used to turn up regularly at the Frankfurt flea market amongst others many years ago.

Yours, Guy.

Just returned from Frankfurt last night...but no flea market visits unfortunately...
Finding something like this there would have made my day!
It's a really nice modified original camo wrapper indeed and as Guy states makes for a terrific late war conversion impression. Since we don't know when it was modified, just can't be proven ...why waist anymore band space on that...
Bottom line: it still a cool Ravensbruck made piece that emulates a late M44 uniform, something that was done during the war (like Italian camo garments) we all know that, so who knows? Good chance it's legit!
I like it a lot and actually way cooler than a modified 4 pocket tunic.

[m.alex]

Thanks for your all comments!
Alex