Does this SS pin exist or purly fantasy

[Joseph D'Errico]

I recently aquired this SS lapel pin, evrything looked correct but I was cut short with out any referance material. I had never seen it before. Did an original even exist or is this pure fantasy. Well, did I get boned or what???


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[mott5ranch]

Hello Joe,
I posted the same pin and got no responses a few months ago. I felt mine was a fantasy piece because I've never seen one in any text or period photo. I'll admit I haven't seen all photos from the war. Maybe someone will have additional information. It seems like alot of trouble for a faker to make such a piece with enamel which is lined and two color, not to mention the raised RZM marks. If it is a fake, which I'm leaning towards, it must not be that expensive to make after all. I hope someone else jumps in on this thread, pro or con. Let's learn what we can.

[Dez H]

Not exactly what you want to hear but in recent times I have seen fake NSDAP membership pins with exactly the same reverse, with varying manufacture codes. These can be bought for less than $5 US so it appears they don’t cost allot to make. I wounder how many of these type of badges are in peoples collections and they don’t realise it.


Regards

Dez

[Mark S.]

Gary, these dont cost much to make at all. Next time you are standing in line at the grocery store, take a look at all the stuff hanging there, you will probably see a zodiac key chain made in the same fashion.

From a fake standpoint though....

Lets say this wasnt a SS pin, but something else..

I still wouldnt buy it, the RZM mark is wrong for anything that I am aware of, there should be a slash through the Z.

[Joseph D'Errico]

SS Lapel Pin

Thanks for the input fellas, this explains why my butt hurt after I got this in from Germany. I got boned . Well I sent an E-mail off this morning with kind words, like I had a choice. I guess I,ll put it on my kids German G.I Joe.moremad moremad moremad moremad I can't wait until my trip to Germany.
Thanks Joe

[George Stimson]

Joe,

I'm not saying that your pin is good or bad, but I wouldn't say that it is purely a fantasy piece. Here is a picture of Reichsnahrstand leader Richard-Walther Darre wearing something similar:



(From Labor Organizations of the Reich, by J. R. Angolia and David Littlejohn; Bender Publishing; 1999; page 46.)

George

[Tony Barto]

George;

That looks to me to be the stickpin version that he's wearing. I believe the piece Joe posted is indeed a fantasy piece.

[George Stimson]

stickpin?

Yeah, I think you're right.

Never mind!

George

[Ken Jasper]

Last week this same badge appeared on the GD Forum; the post was from a member in Belgium. One response said it is a fantasy piece that appeared about four years ago. Another post provided a link where they can be bought cheaply.

[Daniel Krause]

Hi,

stickpins like that existed.

It is the so-called "SS-Zivilabzeichen" If I remember exactly it was used by SS-men when they were in civilian clothes.

I cannot say if the posted pin is real or not, but it is not fantasy.

Best regards

Daniel

[Joseph D'Errico]

SS Lapel Pin

Thanks for your help guys so far. I want to post this item for sale but I don't want to if it's a fake.Does anyone have any pictorial evidence of this piece?
Thanks
Joe

[Tony Barto]

spiess;

I agree 100% that the stickpin version did indeed exist and I stated that. It's the pinback item that Joseph posted that is a fantasy piece and I don't believe any WWII period photographic evidence of its existence can be provided. Ken, can you provide the link for where the pins like Josephs can be bought?

[Ken Jasper]

Yes,

http://yawp.com/3rd-i/staff/abbadon/...ages/sspin.jpg

[Steve T]

Hi all,

Some links to a seller of these fantasy badges in the initial discussion that prompted this thread.

Link to thread

Regards

[Tony Barto]

Hell Steve, I believe you covered it quite completely already in the thread you've pointed too!