TK ring name in connected script

[Sal Williams]

Have any other rings been found where the letters in the recipients name are connected? This is the only one I have come across and nobody has seemed to comment on this one way or the other. Are there more?
here is a link to the v. Salisch ring with the connecting letters

http://www.craiggottlieb.com/engine/...rman+Militaria

[Ian Hulley]

Have any other rings been found where the letters in the recipients name are connected? This is the only one I have come across and nobody has seemed to comment on this one way or the other. Are there more?
here is a link to the v. Salisch ring with the connecting letters

http://www.craiggottlieb.com/engine/...rman+Militaria

'If it doesn't have a Don Boyle certificate it ain't real' is the mantra I would be following.

People seem afraid to comment when it's an item from Craig, so long as you are polite I can see no reason why not ....

Ian

[99notout]

Quote from the sales advert:

"Please note this fun fact: this ring comes with an audio recording of a message Don Boyle left on my voice-mail concerning this ring. He claims it's a fake that he's "seen 4 or 5 of" and that it was made in the late 1940s. This, despite the fact that it was analyzed using Xray Fluorescence for metallurgical content, and found to be an match for the other original rings (all with Boyle Certificates) that were submitted for the test."

Rules it out for me, the only real ring it has, is a ring of arrogance for me

[compressore]

Hi,
I am not in this stuff, but I am very cautious when a seller tries to explain deviations from known examples. Maybe those expalantions are true, but I always stay away from those items just to be on the safe side.
Regards
Christian

Quote

"It should be noted that although the ring is original, and exhibits all exterior details that mark this ring as an original specimen, the interior engraving is not typical of the various engraving styles noted on the interior of other rings I have observed. The key feature that differs is the shape of the "mm" in Himmler. There are many possible explanations for this, including the possibility that the ring was resized, or possibly a very early specimen produced just after Gahr transitioned to the new 1940s style"

[sgstandard]

Ring

Well, since you asked.........One look at the letter "a" in "Salisch", tells you all you need to know. The last Gahr employee who engraved an "a" like that, ended up plying his trade in Dachau, and it was a short career. The rest of the engraving?............Oy vey!! And for the "Doubting Dieters" out there who aren't convinced, look at the last pic, and you'll realize the Gahr factory doesn't even know how to solder a skull flush to a ring without it protruding like a biker ring. And that's not even addressing the entire Ty-Rune section that looks like it was replaced, and not mentioned. The ring is perfect for a secret agent, as it is surrounded with it's own secrets, IMO .

[Manalishi]

the ring is 100% unaltered post 1945.

So it was made after 1945? or am I misreading the description?

...it was analyzed using Xray Fluorescence for metallurgical content

So that just means it had the same metal content as a genuine pre-1945 ring but not that it was necessarily manufactured pre-45? If Gahr made a few in '46 or '47 using the same raw materials how would anyone ever know?

[sgstandard]

Ring

Let's go back and look at that "Salisch" name. Look at the connecting line between the "a" and the "l". It doesn't connect at all, and goes clear to the top of the "l". Are you gonna tell me that the Gahr firm engraved that? Then..........look at the Himmler signature. Let's play along and pretend that the engraving is just a variation. You tell me who in the entire world duplicates a signature, and does it in a style the person never used. Even phony autographs at least TRY to duplicate the original signature. The Himmler signature is so bad, I don't know whether to laugh, or cry because it hurts my eyes. Let's get real here, folks.

[tanker]

CG + Totenkopfrings=

[Sal Williams]

but are there even any real TK rings with connecting letters?

[sgstandard]

Rings

IMO, no. The only differences I've ever seen are the deeply scalloped engravings on early rings, the Roman numeral dates on "inner circle" rings, and tinier engraving, that I was told was attributed to Gahr himself. I believe Don Boyle told me that once. "Salich" is a loser, and should be displayed with that "Frank" ring, among others.

[tanker]

Yes, that Frank ring was a loser! That ring aand discussions got push aside because of the folks who offered it and sold it. These folks got caught quickly did the cover up! On the Frank ring, we repeatedly asked for pics and never got them.

IMO, no. The only differences I've ever seen are the deeply scalloped engravings on early rings, the Roman numeral dates on "inner circle" rings, and tinier engraving, that I was told was attributed to Gahr himself. I believe Don Boyle told me that once. "Salich" is a loser, and should be displayed with that "Frank" ring, among others.

[Gary Symonds]

IMO, no. The only differences I've ever seen are the deeply scalloped engravings on early rings, the Roman numeral dates on "inner circle" rings, and tinier engraving, that I was told was attributed to Gahr himself. I believe Don Boyle told me that once. "Salich" is a loser, and should be displayed with that "Frank" ring, among others.

Gahr died in 1932, so it would be very difficult for him to have engraved any honor rings, since the earliest rings are attributed to 1933-34.

[sgstandard]

Ring

Gahr's involvement in engraving was just something I heard once. Thanks for info on his death - I think Don Boyle told me that, but not sure. Regardless, I don't think any rings ever had "connecting lines". They made thousands of totenkopfrings, and with the few exceptions mentioned, they were all engraved in basically the same manner. Perhaps the "Salich" ring, belonging to a Secret Agent, had a phony Himmler signature so in case he was captured, the enemy wouldn't recognize the Reichsfuhrer's signature reminds me of the other TK Ring on a particular website, that was claimed to be period-resized, due to the fact the guy was wounded, lost weight, and had his ring resized. The obvious next question would then be........why would he have it resized? - If he recovered, he would gain the weight back and it would fit. If he DIDN'T recover, it wouldn't need to be re-sized. Give me a freakin' break-!

[von shock]

regardless of the inscription,why in the world would any jeweler ever waste the time to cut the ring at the back,splice in a section that would then have to be hand tooled and finished to match when all that needed done was de-solder the skull,cut the band,re-solder band and skull on.then slide on a sizing tool and repolish. just for giggles, i cant see a spliced parts ring leaving the gahr firm to be presented to an ss officer. i am sure that would work out great for whoever made the ring if it was noticed the ring was manufactured in a substandard fashion and then this being brought to the reichsfurhers attention.

creed