Zyclon B can

[Dmv]

Would it be this photo?

[Dmv]

different sizes

[theo andersson]

Yeah
500 and 1200 gram
Size
And for sure a staged photo

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

the picture is taken from "The Passenger" ("Pasazerka"), movie of Andrzej Munk (1963).

Check from 21.10 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBmxnAu_eA8

The reconstructed crematorium (II or III) is not correctly done (and Topf & Söhne crematoriums didn't make smoke - only the Birkenwald open cremations in late 1942 and near the crematorium V in 1944 made smoke - cf Pressac various studies) but the method presented to use the Zyklon in the gas chambers was the one used for the crematoriums II & III.

Various boxes existed : 100, 500, and 1500 gr.
(I need to check the book of M. Kogon as he made a nice explaination chapter on the Zyklon).

Silica gravel was used to retain the gas, which is in a liquid state under 27°.
This is why some gas chambers had a coal stove to increase the diffusion of the gas. Usually the human temperature was enough in the gas chambers to modify the liquid gas into a volatile gas.

It seemed that various retailers were used in the Auschwitz SS-Siedlung :

KL Auschwitz was supplied with Zyklon-B mainly by a firm called TESTA, an abbreviation for the Tesch und Stabenow Internationale Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung / International pest control company, domiciled at Messberghoff, Hamburg 1. This company had the monopoly for distributing Zyklon-B in the eastern territories of the Reich (in fact to the east of the Elbe). But the Auschwitz SS, having at the same time to combat epidemics and carry out the "special treatment" of Jews, sometimes turned directly to Degesch (located in 1939-45 at 43, Schaumainkai, or 9, Weissfrauenstrasse, Frankfurt-am-Main, then at 70, Kaiserstrasse, Friedberg/Hessen) to obtain quantities sufficient for their needs. For this reason a five-ton truck with a trailer ran back and forth between Auschwitz and the factory producing Zyklon-B, the DESSAUER WERKE für Zucker- und Chemische Industrie AG, 40 Askanische Strasse, Dessau (about 50 kilometers north of Leipzig). The "reserve stocks" of the PMO have cans of Zykon-B from both sources: Testa and Degesch (Dessauer Werke). Zyklon-B without irritant (ohne Reizstoff) was delivered by the Dessauer Werke as from August 1942. This was because a LACK of the warning agent generally used, a bromoacetic ester. The Degesch laboratory people, who had remained at Frankfurt, would have liked to replace it by a chlorinated carbon dioxide ester [methyl chloroformiate] with a suffocating effect, but the Friedburg management decided to produce Zyklon-B with no warning agent.

Source : http://www.holocaust-history.org/aus...ssac0017.shtml

See You

Vince

[theo andersson]

Hi,

the picture is taken from "The Passenger" ("Pasazerka"), movie of Andrzej Munk (1963).

Check from 21.10 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBmxnAu_eA8

The reconstructed crematorium (II or III) is not correctly done (and Topf & Söhne crematoriums didn't make smoke - only the Birkenwald open cremations in late 1942 and near the crematorium V in 1944 made smoke - cf Pressac various studies) but the method presented to use the Zyklon in the gas chambers was the one used for the crematoriums II & III.

Various boxes existed : 100, 500, and 1500 gr.
(I need to check the book of M. Kogon as he made a nice explaination chapter on the Zyklon).

Silica gravel was used to retain the gas, which is in a liquid state under 27°.
This is why some gas chambers had a coal stove to increase the diffusion of the gas. Usually the human temperature was enough in the gas chambers to modify the liquid gas into a volatile gas.

It seemed that various retailers were used in the Auschwitz SS-Siedlung :

KL Auschwitz was supplied with Zyklon-B mainly by a firm called TESTA, an abbreviation for the Tesch und Stabenow Internationale Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung / International pest control company, domiciled at Messberghoff, Hamburg 1. This company had the monopoly for distributing Zyklon-B in the eastern territories of the Reich (in fact to the east of the Elbe). But the Auschwitz SS, having at the same time to combat epidemics and carry out the "special treatment" of Jews, sometimes turned directly to Degesch (located in 1939-45 at 43, Schaumainkai, or 9, Weissfrauenstrasse, Frankfurt-am-Main, then at 70, Kaiserstrasse, Friedberg/Hessen) to obtain quantities sufficient for their needs. For this reason a five-ton truck with a trailer ran back and forth between Auschwitz and the factory producing Zyklon-B, the DESSAUER WERKE für Zucker- und Chemische Industrie AG, 40 Askanische Strasse, Dessau (about 50 kilometers north of Leipzig). The "reserve stocks" of the PMO have cans of Zykon-B from both sources: Testa and Degesch (Dessauer Werke). Zyklon-B without irritant (ohne Reizstoff) was delivered by the Dessauer Werke as from August 1942. This was because a LACK of the warning agent generally used, a bromoacetic ester. The Degesch laboratory people, who had remained at Frankfurt, would have liked to replace it by a chlorinated carbon dioxide ester [methyl chloroformiate] with a suffocating effect, but the Friedburg management decided to produce Zyklon-B with no warning agent.

Source : http://www.holocaust-history.org/aus...ssac0017.shtml

See You

Vince

Hi
Very informative, thanks
Never saw 1500 gram size. ??
Just because something is posted on the internet
Doesn't make it correct
Regards

[blitzkrieg gsd]

There's a guy at the SOS every year who has a can on display there. Seems like he had a sign up in front of it that said no pictures. But I have seen pics of his display before here on the forum someone posted. That's the only can I have ever saw displayed at a show open to the public. Don't kno if its real or just for display to make you stop at his table. Either way if anyone knows who I'm talking about or has a pic of his display please show it. We could compare it to the original posters can.

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

the three sizes of Zyklon canisters are cited by Pressac, but my doubts were right, more format existed : 100, 200, 500, 1000 or 1500 gr.


200 (?), 500 and 1500 gr canisters.


1500 gr canisters (12 per wooden box).


500, 1000 and 1500 gr canisters.

I had difficulties to find good pictures of 100 and 200 gr canisters...

The next infos are taken from the Eugen Kogon book "Nazi Mass Murder" (very interesting book).

The liquid gas evaporates at 26° [25.7° (Kogon) or 27° (Pressac)]. During winter, coal stoves were used to help the Zyklon to evaporate in the cold gas chambers...

Silica gravel is called in german Kieselgur. After the war, cardboard discs were used to keep the liquid gas instead of silica gravel (more easy to clean and throw to the trash can).

The warning gas used is the Zyklon B is similar to the gas used in the common tear gas. It seemed that the warning gas was less present in the later produced boxes.

Zyklon B is 6 times more lethal than chlorine, and 34 times more lethal than carbon monoxyde. 0.7 gr of Zyklon B is enough to kill a man of 70 kg.

When the crematorium II & III gas chambers were fully in use (it is said that their surfaces of 500/550 cubic meters were cut in half in the late month with the addition of a new wall), at least 8 boxes of 500 gr were used (up to 5-7 kgs said Pressac), 2 in each of the 4 wire netting columns (check the polish movie "The Passenger").
The problem is that usually a single SS was responsible for the gassing, therefore he was throwing the Zyklon in each of the columns one after another, creating a "Struggle for life" in the gas chamber. Just thinking of that, i cannot imagine the horror... My god.

Back to the subject. The box looks ok imo, only the story behind it may be strange. But it seemed that the "Elbe frontier" was not very important, and stock were available almost everywhere from the various retailers.

See You

Vince

[Sonderkommando]

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Hi Vince,
Do you have any further information about the picture showing the 4 x 1500g cans in front of the packing crate? What is the date of that picture and where was it taken?
If that picture dates to the time-frame we are talking about, then it shows there were variations in original labels (of that style) and it also confirms that the can that started this thread is genuine.....IMO


Thanks,
Brett

[octavian]

Looks legit. Some museum would find this piece relevant and worth displaying. It is what it is. History, whether good or bad, is chronicled for future generations.