Waffen-SS tunic Maria Theresia

[Scott A. Hess]

Nice tunic, some very nice construction details!

[pete]

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And, the rank mismatch aside, at least to me IMHO, the fake tab has been attatched, then treated (steamed, ironed /whatever) to make it appear like it is well "bedded" into the fabric, sort of shrunk a bit "over the years"...am i correct with that opinion? Then, you have a "Rare" tunic....going towards the "Untouched" golden seal (without any provenance/or story)...for the unsuspecting. Not saying dealers are doing this, just it appears like somebody has along the way did it. If it was the case it would be the only reason to go through the trouble of making the tabs appear as such for the payoff.


Pete

[Ian Hulley]

Not saying dealers are doing this, just it appears like somebody has along the way did it.

Oh I would ... definately. A certain big German dealer has been caught several times with magically transformed tunics. It's happening every day of the week and you'd better be aware of it !

Ian

[espenlaub]

I had several of the absolutely the same SS -BW tunics, 50% of them was with never applied insignia and they was mint, and other part has a Dachau style RZM type eagles

[RobertE]

I wouldn't make more of this than it is. It is a nice tunic with an original (probably reapplied) eagle, probable (original) army panzer boards, and replica tabs that were probably overpressed when they were recently applied.

Keeping it just to the tunic presented for discussion and not the assumed intentions and intrigues of another man, I think this would be a nice purchase for somene that wants a standard tunic. A nice set of bevo tabs would make this tunic look very nice.

regards, Robert

[pete]

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Yes, anything else aside, good tabs on it, professionaly done, EM Infantry shoulder boards to "zero it" so to speak as bone standard infantry and would be spot on! Honestly i keep going back to the same thoughts, untouched is great, if you can get that with rock solid provenance or at least a reasonable doubt they have been on there before any faking was prevalent. Simply, alot of this stuff is rare enough as it is and youre lucky to get it without tabs too! Yes i know theres an old and long thread on this already....still though..

Pete

[butschekantiques]

Thanks very much for your posts everybody!

While I noticed the Delta-similarity I was hoping these are good once since this jacket was in a collection since 21 years and was never on the market before. The previous owner swears he picked this up from the family.
I know a story is a story and we should face the facts, however not being specialist in SS insignia, how long are these Deltas on the market? Since these are far away from the RZM style what is the original tab pattern the Deltas are copying? Can anyone show a picture of an original tab maybe?

I made a few new pictures. Since we have a clearly worn tunic I wonder why there are no traces of former collar tabs?

Thanks!
Klaus

[RobertE]

Delta fakes have been around longer than 22 years, and I'm afraid that's what these are. Some volunteer tabs show the grain of the wool more than others, but these are not one of those outfits.

That pebbled look to the wool, on both the rank and MT tab, is a bad sign.

The eagle looks good, and originally sewn, however.

regards, Robert

[Basil]

The Delta tabs were originally made in the late 1960s so some of them have a good 40 years of age in them. They were primarily based on the 'Dachau' foreign volunteer tabs although they also include a standard runes tab and a Totenkopf tab. Somewhere or other I have a photo of an uncut sheet of them: I'll try to find it and post it.

[Barzini]

There is absolutely no doubt, the tabs are not original. The eagle is fine, but I m not 100% sure it has been period applied; the stitching usually was not so thick.
The tunic is nice, I just hope that by removing the tabs no evident scars will remain, especially at the back of the collar

[butschekantiques]

Thanks Basil! That would be great.

Did these Deltas possibly go around at the veteran meetings at this time? That is the only possibility I can think of these came on the tunic to be honest. But I can´t imagine the veteran aged them or wore the tunic for gardening! ;-)

[Robert H]

Deltas went around anywhere and that long time ago even before you collected. Sad restoration with a bad taste.
I swear, that I heard quite often from your area. Gardening, or on a hot vacation to get many out from crap.

[RobertE]

I think it would be tough to figure out how they got on the collar with the obvious artificial wear, but I'm not sure it's important. It is a nice tunic, but those tabs really bring it down - they are what they are.

I got your auction email this morning, and see it is advertised - you may want to add the tab issue to the description.

regards, Robert

[butschekantiques]

Well, of course I will add that. That´s why I asking for opinions here. Thanks!

[Ludwig]

I think it´s really good (and brave!) that a dealer turns to the collector community, when he´s unsure of something, instead of just selling it as an 100% original, which some do.