Hasn't this particular fabric with the hard outline around the darker green background been discussed recently as not original? I believe the last piece was a four pocket dot...have to add, the darker outline is around all the colors, double checking.
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Ok let me know, please keep the opinions rolling in, I'll contact PvL and discuss with him if it's bad. He does indicate honouring a return if not authentic;
"If an item which we sold without any other guarantee then the normal 14 day one and an item is proven to be non authentic by a dealer or collector respected by us and we feel we have been careless in our authentication at the time we may still take a responsibility for the sale, so contact us if you feel you have not been treated right"Last edited by robs; 02-25-2013, 11:49 PM.Comment
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Ok I'll fire off an email to PvL and see what he thinks...Last edited by robs; 02-26-2013, 12:28 AM.Comment
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http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=647797
Rob, see page 8 of the SS forum here, dated 1/23/13 started by Jerome and a 4 pocket dot that was discussed twice. Compare the heavier "border" around the camo dots and such, the greens with a more back green border and the sand with a more "rust" tone border. The piece you posted contains no roller slips/misses, but is made of multi run fabric, it's also not hbt and a linen I assume. The piece you posted would not be one for me.Comment
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Originally posted by Scott A. Hess View Post
The one in your link is fake. The material (and print) of the one posted by rob is all original IMO and definitely different to the one in your link.
I would like to see more pics of that entire wrapper but could not dismiss it based on these pics. In fact I can see one thing here I do like quite a bit.
That heavier border tone was also very common with Polizei uniforms in dot but can be seen in original ss uniforms as well. It was just a matter of time when that design would get copied.
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The dot wrapper presented by Robs in my opinion is not an original war time produced example. Also not surprised coming from that particular source.
I agree with Besslein.
Hope he can join us in the discussin and enlighten us with a theory why this one is "real"Comment
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I like that wrapper and I am very sure the fabric and print are original. It seems that at least two runs of fabric were used here as was mentioned by Scott before (the other is the inside of the arms as it seems and maybe also smaller parts I can't see).
The "rings" surrounding the splotches are no problem at all in original dot. As I said before this is very common with polizei uniforms and is by no means unheard of with ss dot uniforms - also dot winter uniforms.
I have no idea what caused this or if it perhaps was intended. Maybe they had to thin down the dyes, maybe they wanted to create a softer edge, I don't know.
The fake in scott's link resembles this but lacks the soft appearance original prints have, a common problem with repro prints (also oak, plane tree etc.) : They are too sharp, too good. This repro/fake print has the missprints though that many collectors like a lot. The geometry of the pattern itself is off.
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_______________________________Originally posted by Michael Nicolaou View Post
I have no idea who you are..........
But you obviously have an agenda in trying to destroy our sales like here; http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=dot+trousers
No other dealer in the world who is serious would ever answer someone like that when something is sold by another dealer, if he does not have some special agenda. It probably gives all serious dealers a bad taste in the mouth and makes your comments very little weight.
As to your comment about authenticity I do not agree, for me the wrapper is a 100% original fairly late war "linen like" cloth produced one, I have never seen this type of material ever faked. The printing is nothing like any of the known fake material known or seen around. This is one of very few I ever seen produced in this late war material. And it was produced in several different dot materials, i think even some parts where HBT and it was 4 or 5 different types of printing and material used when it was manufactured as far as I recall, was written in the original sales thread.
I would naturally let a SS cammo "expert" look at it in real life to determine authenticity as pictures just say so much.
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