Algemeine cap without chinstrap

[Philippe Gérard]

That one is one of the first cap i bought when i started my collection.
I showed it at a lot of people,nobody was able to tell me why that cap has no chinstrap,and no holes for chinstrap.

All comments very welcomed.

Thanks

Philippe

[Philippe Gérard]

[PMan]

Cap

This cap has other issues aside from not having a strap.
Not a good one IMO.

[Philippe Gérard]

Other advices ?

[Pascal Bernhard]

Whate I don't like :

- IMO "SS" lining logo on the waterproof lining is too blurry to be real, seems to be added after removing the sweatshield (that's why we have the size "57" two time on the lining...

- Leather sweat band seems not original to the cap...

so we can ask the question... Is the RZM/SS visor original to the cap

[Philippe Gérard]

Peter,

can you give me more details about your bad opinion?

Thanks

Philippe

[Philippe Gérard]

Ok,Pascal,

but why make a fake without any trace of chinstrap

as no sense at my opinion

Regards

Philippe

[Robert H]

a poor copy

[Ian Hulley]

Ok,Pascal,

but why make a fake without any trace of chinstrap

as no sense at my opinion

Regards

Philippe

They probably realised half-way through what a ball's up they'd made so didn't bother invest a chin cord and 2 buttons on it

Ian

[Arran]

Yes, the cap is a copy IMO. The piping is too uneven to be a TR produced cap, the runes in the lining are irregular and don't conform to the original pattern, the runes stamp on the visor is also incorrect. Judging by the hand-done runes in the lining, this is a "one off" attempt by some faker who either did not have a chin strap or just gave up before completing it...

[Pascal Bernhard]

This is the reason because no chinstrap traces...

It never wor one in his former life...

[Philippe Gérard]

Bravo. Pascal that convinct me. Sad that they killed a nice WW1 cap to make that ****.

[chrischa]

Hello Phillipe.

The other thing they have done is to put later A-SS markings such as the lozenge inside the cap and the SS mark on the inside of the visor which is an anacronysm for an early cap.

Regards,
Chris.

[90th Light]

No chance that it is the last version of the early black "SS Kratzchen" with visor added for an NCO or later use in 1935/ 36 ?

That type of black twill is quite unique to black SS uniforms and it is rarely seen on Imperial headgear if ever.

The lining and sweatband look correct with a possibilty of a very early version of the gold foil runes (1934 ?)

I attach an image and some informatiom from Mike Beaver/ Bill Shea's excellent book on this subject published by Schiffer 2009,

Chris

[chrischa]

This cap seems to have the wire stiffener introduced in 1935 which the early caps and certainly the kratzchen didn't have.