Helmet covers ..........good and bad

[A c h t u n g !]

I now wonder what would you say about mine?

[Fritz]

The fact is that the SS helmet cover is
One of the rarest pieces of SS camo to find. They
Made millions of them, but they just don't show
Up very often.

Covers, IMO, are not of the "rarest" pieces of ss camo. Unless they were made in a rare camo pattern or variant. Kombis are rare, lateral smocks are rare, oak four pocket - and panzer uniforms are rare, dot jump smocks are rare. An ordinary cover is not rare IMO. Just look how many have been posted here surrounding this topic.

Apart from fakes, that are without a doubt around, there were numerous great camo items available over the last years. As far as covers are concerned they are not an exception.

I see two reasons for that:

1st The general economic situation which forces a number of collectors to sell.
2nd The "exposure of the italian covers" that made quite some people nervous and make them sell their originals that they think might be italian.

There were plenty of covers posted here in recent times that are right as rain.

Finally, that extra
piece sewn across the front is really strange.
Every real helmet cover I've seen that has that
Reinforcement, has it made from another kind
Of fabric.

I disagree here, the most common material used for the reinforcement is the standard camo material used for the entire cover.

Covers from ca. 1940 are an exception, these seem to only have used other sorts of (plain) fabric for that reinforcement.

Consult the beaver books in order to see a number of covers that used camo material for that reinforcement.

Other materials than camo were used throughout the war but from somewhen in 1941/42 the camo cloth became dominant for that part of a cover.

It's my opinion that that strip of material is a REPAIR
And not the original design if the cover.

That is wrong, all reinforcements, that I have seen, were made at the factory and are an improvement introduced in ca. 1940, maybe even 1939.

They, nonetheless, seem to be manufacturer variants as covers without reinforcement were made up to the war's end.

I would say though that, in the total number of covers made, the variants with reinforecement are slightly dominant and they are absolutely dominant among those that were manufactured from around 42 on (incl. type 1s).

To get a feeling for what was issued and when, I recommend books dedicated to the Waffen-SS and not those dedicated to camo. One has to look quite hard though as especially the type that uses camo material for the reinforcement is very hard to make out, in some cases you can only tell them by the seam. Plain fabric is of course easier to spot.

This being said, all sorts of reinforcement are being reproduced today, plain and camo.

Cheers

[Fritz]

I now wonder what would you say about mine?

I refuse to give you an opinion other than that it looks pretty promising.

[Ohlau]

Covers, IMO, are not of the "rarest" pieces of ss camo. Unless they were made in a rare camo pattern or variant. Kombis are rare, lateral smocks are rare, oak four pocket - and panzer uniforms are rare, dot jump smocks are rare. An ordinary cover is not rare IMO. Just look how many have been posted here surrounding this topic.

Cheers

I would add Erbsenmuster winter parka and pants and blurred edge winter pants (never saw here)

[Fritz]

I would add Erbsenmuster winter parka and pants and blurred edge winter pants (never saw here)

A number of things, face veils and what have you.

[jacquesf]

Mirror , mirror on the wall
who is the faker, if at all?
Any member so bold
for the truth to be told.

[viva_giulio]

3 topics open for quite nothing. great confusion and hot water.

[RoyA]

Clips? Well, Mike Beaver gave me some that We're painted black. Lately I've seen some in zinc. We all like the plumb colored ones that nobody
Has been able to reproduce, but these new ones Look good. If you look close, they have been sanded Down with really fine sandpaper to "age" them.

I will try to help with some photos...here is a well-made fake clip on a fake cover followed by an original on my 1st pattern Plane Tree.

[kammo man]

Francesco.
Re post 20 .
Do you even know what a real cover even looks like ?
You show mine are if I am reading it right you are believing them not war time made?
Please help me understand .
You dont like plum clips.

The last 2 pictures are simple enough.....showing the art of the faker.
1 bad
1 good.

[Matt M]

I will try to help with some photos...here is a well-made fake clip on a fake cover followed by an original on my 1st pattern Plane Tree.

RoyA

That pretty much sums it up, nice job.

This is just my opinion, there is enough information out there now about these covers/clips and someone would be foolish to spend 10K with out doing some research.

Anyone thinking about buying an SS cover better save this thread.

Again, nice job.

Matt

[Spanish Freiwillige]

Roy thanks so much for the lat photos that definitely got it clear for me ......I was getting quite confused among the two threads, but now its clear....

[Bill Hermann]

Very good informative pics Roy, not only for the clips but a good study on the thread or more to the point how it sits as well, regards, Bill

[kammo man]

Bill,
That is it in a nutshell.

I could not have put it better.

owen

[A c h t u n g !]

Okay, here is another one of these fakes and Francescos. I showed the one on the bottom to Ted Caso back in the Day and he knew it was bad, so I really had to study them and then after some time I could spot them.

English is limited at explaining good fakes and why we know they are bad, so I figure this picture might help. You could also go to the MAX and walk around with me and I can point them out laying on Tables.

Study my Pic and Francesco's and you will see the fingerprints of this Faker.

Who is Ted Caso? Why do you think that Ted Caso was right? Why do you think that this cover is fake?
W. C. Stump (RIP) (also an expert even in high-end awards w/diamonds) told me once with 100% confidence that my very common award is fake. Everybody make mistakes, especially in this hobby with such a high level of scepticizm

[Fritz]

Who is Ted Caso? Why do you think that Ted Caso was right? Why do you think that this cover is fake?
W. C. Stump (RIP) (also an expert even in high-end awards w/diamonds) told me once with 100% confidence that my very common award is fake. Everybody make mistakes, especially in this hobby with such a high level of scepticizm

With respect, what I find a bit amazing about you is that you don't seem to impose those standards upon yourself.

So: Why do you think that this cover is right? Why do you think you aren't the one making a mistake here?

Again with respect, I get the impression from your posts that you want to learn and that you have to learn in this field - if you want to be able to understand it better - Just like I try to do since many years.

So instead of engaging in pointless arguments and accusing others of making mistakes you should perhaps try to invest your time and effort to think about why these may not be right.



Cheers