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    #16
    Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
    No, that particular cuff has golden letters.
    Well, I'll be! Is only the one version of the cufftitle known, or is there also an officer's version? Would it be in gold bullion?

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      #17
      Arran,
      I know of only one existing example and I must confess I thought it was the silk thread that occasionally you find that ages with a yellow tinge. I haven't entirely ruled that out but it does appear that the embroidery of the name is distinctly yellow.
      I don't quite understand the response to Mr. Toncar's question: "So what is the great big mystery, Mr. Toncar? Your comment appears to insinuate that such a tidbit of information should be considered mundane". It seemed like an innocuous question, am I missing something?
      Derek

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        #18
        Originally posted by derek View Post
        Arran,
        I know of only one existing example and I must confess I thought it was the silk thread that occasionally you find that ages with a yellow tinge. I haven't entirely ruled that out but it does appear that the embroidery of the name is distinctly yellow.
        I don't quite understand the response to Mr. Toncar's question: "So what is the great big mystery, Mr. Toncar? Your comment appears to insinuate that such a tidbit of information should be considered mundane". It seemed like an innocuous question, am I missing something?
        Derek
        Hey Arran, 'occasionally and one existing example' but not often? Can you show us examples that haven't a yellow tinge?

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          #19
          Originally posted by derek View Post

          I don't quite understand the response to Mr. Toncar's question: "So what is the great big mystery, Mr. Toncar? Your comment appears to insinuate that such a tidbit of information should be considered mundane". It seemed like an innocuous question, am I missing something?
          Mr. Toncar's question does seem innocuous now . . . at the time, I replied under a false impression that it was issued in a challenge of privileged knowledge, for which he alone had acquired. Judging by his lack of reply, it appears that this is not the case, and an apology would seem to be in order. The concept of privileged knowledge continues to trouble me - I must remind myself that not all here operate under such pretense . . .

          Sorry Jim.

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            #20
            Although the personnel were Allgemeine-SS I have often wondered if the colour of the lettering on the sleeveband has something to do with their role in the east. Certainly all Government officials assigned to the occupied territories were directed to wear gold insignia and their sleevebands and collar piping were in golden yellow embroidery. Curiously enough "Ost" cufftitles for Generalgouvernement officials were in Gothic script as is the Umseidlungskommando title (which if issued in 1940 should have Latin lettering).
            Also the "Ostbahn" cufftitle worn by railway personal while working in the occupied territories was in Gothic lettering and coloured golden yellow
            Who knows, but that's my stab at it.
            Derek
            Last edited by derek; 01-03-2012, 11:26 PM.

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              #21
              In addition the cuff title for Postschutz personnel serving in the General Government of Poland was yellow lettering as was the lettering for cuff bands for Political Leaders assigned to the labour organization in the occupied Eastern territories.
              Derek

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                #22
                Thanks for the additional wisdom and insight, Derek - your display of knowledge, and willingness to share is always revitalizing and encouraging. My thoughts for the color of the lettering may not have been as comprehensively informed, but followed a similar pattern of conviction. Your argument for the color is nicely executed - let's hope definitive evidence will some day come along.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by derek View Post
                  Although the personnel were Allgemeine-SS I have often wondered if the colour of the lettering on the sleeveband has something to do with their role in the east. Certainly all Government officials assigned to the occupied territories were directed to wear gold insignia and their sleevebands and collar piping were in golden yellow embroidery. Curiously enough "Ost" cufftitles for Generalgouvernement officials were in Gothic script as is the Umseidlungskommando title (which if issued in 1940 should have Latin lettering).
                  Also the "Ostbahn" cufftitle worn by railway personal while working in the occupied territories was in Gothic lettering and coloured golden yellow
                  Who knows, but that's my stab at it.
                  Derek
                  Derek , I am impressed.... very logical explanation . I wonder if this unit could have been formed earlier than 1940 ? judging by the type of pattern (Gothic) that it was made in ?
                  thanks for solving this mystery on such a obscure unit. I believe.
                  jim

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                    #24
                    It's interesting that on the Eastern Front, the Luftwaffe used a yellow nose combined with a yellow fuselage band and yellow wing tips to indicate service on the eastern front.
                    Derek

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by derek View Post
                      It's interesting that on the Eastern Front, the Luftwaffe used a yellow nose combined with a yellow fuselage band and yellow wing tips to indicate service on the eastern front.
                      Derek
                      So the trend appears to reflect elsewhere . . . very nice . . . keep it up, please - I think you are onto something, and the logic continues to transpire! Nice to see such an inspirational topic again, tip-toeing beyond the continually drudging arguments over legitimate totenkopf cap badges!
                      Last edited by N.C. Wyeth; 01-04-2012, 06:20 PM.

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                        #26
                        Quote: "Nice to see such an inspirational topic again, tip-toeing beyond the continually drudging arguments over legitimate totenkopf cap badges!"

                        I couldn't agree more. Noting the number of views this thread has seen (so far) as compared to some of the "Is This SS Toothpaste Real ??" / "Is This Piece of SS Bubble Gum Real ??" threads, it looks like there are indeed (many) others who feel the same way...

                        If anyone ever comes across any Orders, Regs, etc., that can give credence to - or outright prove - the Eastern "Yellow Theory" presented here, it would be very much appreciated if that info. were to be posted...

                        Many Thankx to all who participated in this thread....


                        "Hundestaffel"

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                          #27
                          Couldn't agree more. The discussions have been enlightening. Many thanks to all.

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                            #28
                            Farbe

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                              #29
                              Thats like a Welch word .

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                                #30
                                Umsiedlung.

                                I have a friend that frequents this Forum that has a Ausweis that would go quite well with this cufftitle, perhaps he will show it ?
                                jimtoncar

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