Wallonien Cuff ????

[Marc verstraete]

Somone told me they dont exist in RZM?????????

[Robin Lumsden]

Marc.

Wallonien should be in Bevo only - like Theodor Eicke etc. - because of post-'43
introduction.

Degrelle (and perhaps a few others) wore the title in Gothic hand-embroidered.

[Bob Hritz]

Marc,


This example probably only has 6 strands in the borders. These were sold about 20 years ago with the famous Fallschirmjaeger SS cuff titles. The 6 strand Wallonien came in two patters, yours with the letters very close together, and another with the letters more spaced. I would like good close up photos for a reference I am working on. I have the other pattern already.

The original Wallonien cuff titles were BeVo.

Best regards,
Bob

ALSO LOOKING FOR OLDER AND MORE UNUSUAL FAKE SS INSIGNIA FOR MY UPCOMING BOOK

[Marc verstraete]

Hi Guys, this is a tough one for me, when looking and comparing this cuff with a Westland, ( that you ALL told me in previous posts was original) I see no difference. Do you??

Marc

[Marc verstraete]

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[Marc verstraete]

And by the way, I have seen original pictures of the SS falshirmjeager cuff in wear……..
Marc

[Marc verstraete]

( The Wallonien is not mine, I have it for a few days to take pictures)

[Gary Wood]

"And by the way, I have seen original pictures of the SS falshirmjeager cuff in wear…….."

Marc,
where?
cheers,
Gary

[Gary Wood]

Marc,

I think bob summed it all up in his post above, you ask for differences in the titles, what about the alu strands? below are 2 more fake Wallonien.

cheers,

Gary

[Basil]

"And by the way, I have seen original pictures of the SS falshirmjeager cuff in wear…….."

Marc,
where?
cheers,
Gary

Gary, there is a rather odd picture in Gordon Williamson's cuff title book which appears to show an 'SS Fallschirmjäger' cuff-title being worn. The photo seems to be period - it's a wedding portrait - but there are sufficient oddities about it for there to be doubts about its authenticity. As Siegfried Milius, the last commander of SS-FJ Btl 600, has always denied the existence of an SS-FJ cuffband, this must have been, at best, a private order/private purchase item. At worst, the picture is a hoax.

Baz

[Marc verstraete]

Hello, Don’t shoot the pianist!!
I don’t pretend this Wallonie cuff is real. I agree it is against the regulations as it came out late in the war and should only exist in BEVO. (I own the original RZM regulations on most of the Waffen SS cuffs) I can see there are only 6 silver wires; my question is, if they’re where 7 wires and the regulation was not existing. How would you see the difference if it was real or not. The embroidery seems the same as the Westland to me. Minor details are always different of course, even when laying three Westland cuffs next to each other the are different!
Marc

[Marc verstraete]

For the SS paratrooper cuff, I have seen, hold, exanimate and copied the original wedding picture where the cuff is shown. It is a real wartime picture. (I have experience in photography outside the militaria collecting) There are more pictures but the owner of these is not willing to make them public.

Do this say that the SS Para cuffs are all original?? Not for me, but some real ones must exist.

I have an example, before the book on the Nazi period civilian Lufthansa came out, no one had seen a Lufthansa cap-band. Only the author ( Wim Saris)had one. Six months after the book came out, the market was overflow with fake such cap bands!

Marc

[Gary Wood]

"there is a rather odd picture in Gordon Williamson's cuff title book which appears to show an 'SS Fallschirmjäger' cuff-title being worn"

I know that picture and it does not show a SS Fallschirmjäger cuff title, but rather a cuff title with "Fallschirmjäger" it may have or may not have the SS in front of it, this cuff title pictured is in a gothic type stitch.This is not the same as the fake SS Fallschirmjäger 6 strand bands that are out there, although it is only a matter of time before they copy the title pictured in that photo.

You have to ask yourself Why is it all these cuff's like "HJ", Wallonien ,SS Fallschirmjäger seem to be on 6 strand bands!!!!!!!!!!.
cheers,
Gary

[Robert H]

What has a collector to think or to learn about the book from Ulric of England Vol.2 page 14-17 ?

[Robert H]

But I don´t have enough trust in the 6 strand border Wallonie,Fallschirmjäger,Langemarck cufftitles.
Has anybody seen already a "SS" Fallschirmjäger cufftitle with gothic lettering anywhere ? All the 6 strand border titles that I saw got always a different letter woven stlye from the revers then the EM/NOC RZM titles that I know as original ones.