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    SS-T cuff with Niemann COA

    Hi,

    for me this is a repro, especially the cloth label tag "RZM 61/35".

    What do you think about the COA of Niemann?
    Am I wrong, or was he wrong, or is this COA a fake?
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      #3
      I am not too keen on it to say the least. The band material looks quite nice, the embroidery/skript pattern is not after my liking.

      The obvious, IMO, is the 1935 RZM tag on a CT that was introduced somewhen early in the war.

      Wait for those that know about these, they can tell you more.

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        #4
        As for the COA, ask the award guys, they will know. But you should get better pictures.

        I would however not rule out the possibility that the COA can be authentic and he was wrong.

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          #5
          I do not believe in this one.. The weave is off and has the "Checkered" pattern similar to the high end repro's of the bullion LAH located to the inside edge of the strands. Unless someone has some inside knowledge of these types I would stay away.

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            #6
            The 61/35 is a common fake tag as well.

            Ian

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              #7
              Originally posted by Ian Hulley View Post
              The 61/35 is a common fake tag as well.

              Ian
              The label was the first red flag for me on that one, and who would fix a bogus label on a good cuff?

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                #8
                Originally posted by m-e-h-t View Post
                The label was the first red flag for me on that one, and who would fix a bogus label on a good cuff?


                No one !! Just bad all the way around...

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by M B CHISHOLM View Post
                  No one !! Just bad all the way around...
                  all agreed with me, it is fake.

                  So there is the second question, what is with the COA? Was Detlev wrong, or is it a fake?
                  I do not have better pics of it, but it looks OK with the hologram label.

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                    #10
                    yeech

                    yeech

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by m-e-h-t View Post
                      all agreed with me, it is fake.

                      So there is the second question, what is with the COA? Was Detlev wrong, or is it a fake?
                      Well look at it this way ... if WE all know it's a fake and we don't consider ourselves qualified enough to distribute 'COA's then what does it say for this 'expert' ?

                      It's just another classic example of the common-place peddling of fakes amongst the big 3

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                        #12
                        The embroidery reminds me of the fake vertical enlisted Totenkopf tabs that have serfaced in recent years. Probably the same source.

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                          #13
                          Yes, its bad to the bone. Easiest to tell because of the fake band material. The bad cloth tag is another clue as noted by several here. The style and execution of the embroidery is also b a d...

                          A lot of these bands with the fake band "tooth-edge" material have surfaced in the last years.

                          I cant say if the Niemann COA is original or not but Herr Niemann never was a great expert on cloth. Medals was his thing.

                          //Felix

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                            #14
                            I like the coa. Not that it matters.

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                              #15
                              Niemann's COA of SS items doesn't worth a paper it printed on......

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