Hi,
The last post indicate that a new tread should be opened if to discuss. This tread on the estand has turned out to a discussion:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=248622
I would like to give the following comments.
Both before and after the 2WW Norwegian people without uniforms could be place under military command and be soldiers if they used a "Felttegn" instead of a uniform, felttegn is a Norwegian word for armband. (This was part of the uniform description and is according to rules of war concerning the use of uniform. This practice was common for the resistance in Norway during the liberation period, from may 1945, as it was not possible to supply them with uniforms before the end of the war.)
In a official publication from 1932 describing the Norwegian army we can find description of uniforms as well as:
"Felttegn" (Armband): The description is of a armband with horizontal stripes in Red(top), blue (middle) and white (bottom). The color stripes has the same width. It should be used on the right upper arm of people, in wartime, under military command that had not been issued uniforms in order to act as a soldier an be part of the armed forces.
There was some new uniforms introduced in 1934 and I am sure there must be some documentation on the use of "felttegn" if any changes or amendments to "Felttegn" was made, unfortunately I do not have such available.
In a uniform and dress code military publication from 1962 we can still find the use of "Felttegn". The description inform that personnel without uniform that participate in combat in war, must carry armband in Norwegian colors or with Norwegian flag on the left upper arm. There is a drawing of a armband in Norwegian colors. It is made on white cloth with a small vertical blue stripe in the middle and two larger red vertical stripes (I have enclosed a picture of a 2WW resistance used armband in the same pattern as the drawing in the 1962 publication). The drawing is of the 1st official armband used by the resistance in may 1945. Armbands with Norwegian flags where also used by the resistance in various models.
Neither publications describes a armband as the one published in this tread. I would assume if such was produced by the military after the war that the uniform regulations would contain describtions of this armband. The 1962 descriptions only describe the same patterns armband that was used by the resistance in 1945.
As far as I understand there has been a general comment that this armband was used by the Legion, but not made for them, as it is a prewar made armband. The use of various armbands to "show" Norwegian identity has been a common practice from 1905 (our Independence from the union with Sweden). Such use was probably not part of the standard uniform practice and therefore not a "military" item. I would guess civilian made in various patterns and used on special occasions. I would assume that both civilian and military use could be found. After 1945 norwegian forces serving outside Norway or in need to show nationality has been usning various types of flags or national shields on their uniforms, but not armbands as the one in question.
Rgds
Pål
The last post indicate that a new tread should be opened if to discuss. This tread on the estand has turned out to a discussion:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=248622
I would like to give the following comments.
Both before and after the 2WW Norwegian people without uniforms could be place under military command and be soldiers if they used a "Felttegn" instead of a uniform, felttegn is a Norwegian word for armband. (This was part of the uniform description and is according to rules of war concerning the use of uniform. This practice was common for the resistance in Norway during the liberation period, from may 1945, as it was not possible to supply them with uniforms before the end of the war.)
In a official publication from 1932 describing the Norwegian army we can find description of uniforms as well as:
"Felttegn" (Armband): The description is of a armband with horizontal stripes in Red(top), blue (middle) and white (bottom). The color stripes has the same width. It should be used on the right upper arm of people, in wartime, under military command that had not been issued uniforms in order to act as a soldier an be part of the armed forces.
There was some new uniforms introduced in 1934 and I am sure there must be some documentation on the use of "felttegn" if any changes or amendments to "Felttegn" was made, unfortunately I do not have such available.
In a uniform and dress code military publication from 1962 we can still find the use of "Felttegn". The description inform that personnel without uniform that participate in combat in war, must carry armband in Norwegian colors or with Norwegian flag on the left upper arm. There is a drawing of a armband in Norwegian colors. It is made on white cloth with a small vertical blue stripe in the middle and two larger red vertical stripes (I have enclosed a picture of a 2WW resistance used armband in the same pattern as the drawing in the 1962 publication). The drawing is of the 1st official armband used by the resistance in may 1945. Armbands with Norwegian flags where also used by the resistance in various models.
Neither publications describes a armband as the one published in this tread. I would assume if such was produced by the military after the war that the uniform regulations would contain describtions of this armband. The 1962 descriptions only describe the same patterns armband that was used by the resistance in 1945.
As far as I understand there has been a general comment that this armband was used by the Legion, but not made for them, as it is a prewar made armband. The use of various armbands to "show" Norwegian identity has been a common practice from 1905 (our Independence from the union with Sweden). Such use was probably not part of the standard uniform practice and therefore not a "military" item. I would guess civilian made in various patterns and used on special occasions. I would assume that both civilian and military use could be found. After 1945 norwegian forces serving outside Norway or in need to show nationality has been usning various types of flags or national shields on their uniforms, but not armbands as the one in question.
Rgds
Pål
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