Has the value of cufftitles just gone up?

[Stahlhelm]

Hello everyone,

I just checked the selection of cufftitles on the Collector's Guild today, and I couldn't help being struck by the sudden, extremely sharp price increase on a few items normally on the lower end of the price range. There is currently a Bevo EM Reinhard Heydrich for $2,968.00 and a Bevo EM Reichsfuhrer-SS for $3,270.00! I am very sure that not very long ago such cufftitles, on the very same website, were nearly half those prices. I know that the Collector's Guild can be on the more expensive end of the spectrum, but this is a dramatic increase in a very short time.

So, is the Collector's Guild just testing the limits here to the extreme, or have I missed out on a new or upcoming super surge in prices?

Chris

[Dr. Strangelove]

Prices

Stahlhelm, those prices are way out of line as BeVo RH bands can be had at a show for around 1400.00. THey did have one that I thought was semi-fair and I grabbed it fast. Most of those bands have been on there for months at those prices. Maybe when it is $7.00 to 1 Euro they will all go.

[John T]

You can pick up many of the titles in that selection you noted at a fraction of the price without much effort...

I think the market has slowed on many bands...

[Fritz]

This is one of the most expensive dealers on the www, so you better don't take his prices as a guide.

Cheers

[Mike C]

To be fair, the owner of the site does not set the prices - the prices are set by the owners who send him items to list on his site. To this he adds a mark up.

My sense is that many items are parked on the site at very high prices by people who are not in a rush to sell.

Mike

[pete]

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Yep, It all depends how much the collector is willing to pay and the amount of patience of the seller. I will admit though that its my view that in that the trend (which seems to be maturing much faster then property values even so it seems-and has to stop somewhere) to jack the value of items as high as theyre going is going to kill this hobby and restrict it to a select few unless there is some kind of market fall that effects it. Not all of us here can get these items from some of the sources some people and dealers have and we werent at this 20 years ago. We dont have a float from that to play with. Very advantageous for people who were on the ball years ago now. We are very much restricted to what we can save up for the average joe here. Its good if youre receiving but bad if youre buying. I can see why people would not be in a rush especially for some of the more rare items on that site because they know it will sell and the source is respected. There are however still alot of original items on other sites that dont sell or take a long time because of the reputation of the seller. One thing ive been watching is You can see just how much more cheaper they were avialable if you remember when an item was on the estand first and it shows up later. Not like people did not have the chance to get it 30% cheaper or more. Its strange but some things that sit on these sites have also sat on the estand for months at a fraction of the price but then they will show up on one of these sites and theyre gone in no time. Eventually somebody is gonna buy and patience pays off.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Prices

Strictly conjecture, but the International crowd may be seeing certain websites and not others. And they may not think our prices to high on the most overpriced websites as our currency is getting cheap.

[pete]

Just a theory ive got, would be interested to hear thoughts from around the world, from what i hear about the max show prices observed at the end of the show on some items (which seems closer to some good fair estand prices too, although some people still seem to want somthing for literally 50%-60% of the non dealer sold value, you cant escape that) I think that that is the true level that we should be at if you take away the inflation of prices be it driven by seller or dealer each has a dollar to earn for whatever end reason and the buyer will buy it no matter the price if they want it bad enough. As this stuff continues to go through the roof in asking prices i am sure the buyer base will also level out at a faster rate over time because they will but cut out of the picture totally.The price will not be able to match the demand. The stuff will get more valuable yes, thats good for some people who will benefit from it. Fair enough. Maybe its possibe that if someone on here is framiliar with prices over the last 30 odd years we can make a graph with one item ( a LAH cufftitle? and for europe and usa markets) to illustrate where we are now and what my occur, as a prediction. Id love to know what my SS tunic will be expected to be worth in 10 years. And bring on the other factors like more WW2 movies being made!

[Bob Hritz]

The buyer base willl certainly change with those who cannot afford the items going out and those new collectors, with greater buying power replacing them. Unfortunately, I have been priced out and have to sell something if I wish to buy something. I am not bitter as this is the way with all collectibles. As the tastes mature to the more expensive items, and the finite amount of authentic material, the collectors compete for the best items. Competition to buy does increase prices. Also, the dealers are not buying much for low prices any more. With the internet and shows, collectors have the ability to get multiple offers for anything they are selling. Paying highter prices makes the dealer ask higher prices.

I also don't see the items priced much lower than dealer prices, on the e-stand.

Bob Hritz

[DaveJ]

The buyer base willl certainly change with those who cannot afford the items going out and those new collectors, with greater buying power replacing them. Unfortunately, I have been priced out and have to sell something if I wish to buy something. I am not bitter as this is the way with all collectibles. As the tastes mature to the more expensive items, and the finite amount of authentic material, the collectors compete for the best items. Competition to buy does increase prices. Also, the dealers are not buying much for low prices any more. With the internet and shows, collectors have the ability to get multiple offers for anything they are selling. Paying highter prices makes the dealer ask higher prices.

I also don't see the items priced much lower than dealer prices, on the e-stand.

Bob Hritz

Bob,
I would say you have just hit the nail on the head for the collectors who have been collecting for several years with out being wealthy,
Dave

[Dr. Strangelove]

Leider

Unfortunately, Bob is correct, there is not going to be a big price relieving adjustment. It is not going to happen for all the reasons he just stated. The only thing I have to add to this grim picture is if you look at what happened to the prices of Civil War memorabilia and apply it to Third Reich items then you can really stand back and shake your head.

[Felix]

The answer to the initial question IMO; No, cuff titles have not suddenly gone throught the roof! On the contrary they are going down for the moment, except maybe for a few extremely rare cuffs. However when I state that I talk about short term trends. In the long run this price fall is just a nick in ever climbing prices of SS militaria.

Cuff titles has been overpriced for the last two years atleast, and the market has also seen a big inflow of cuffs from collections in the last year. The vast majority of cuff titles on internet dealers sites sit for a long time. Therefore we can se that both the Collectors guild and the Ruptured duck have lowered their prices for cuff titles in the last few months.

There seems to be dealer prices and collector prices. The real price of a cuff title is actually what you pay. The lazy boys will allways pay more for their stuff. Shop around and you will find that cuff for 25% less than from another source. For those with cash can buy cuff titles cheaper today than, lets say a year ago.

I have not seen more cuff titles for sale than today in the last 10 years. However it might change in a year or two when the present total inventory of cuff titles on the market might have found new happy buyers. Maybe then the market might once again be ready for a price climb. Who knows??

"Felix" - N. Hansson

[Lasse Kongo]

Not really!!

I have noticed the ones selling are down at least 20 - 30% against all the unsold ones we can see month after month after month on the dealers sites.

Lasse

Hello everyone,

I just checked the selection of cufftitles on the Collector's Guild today, and I couldn't help being struck by the sudden, extremely sharp price increase on a few items normally on the lower end of the price range. There is currently a Bevo EM Reinhard Heydrich for $2,968.00 and a Bevo EM Reichsfuhrer-SS for $3,270.00! I am very sure that not very long ago such cufftitles, on the very same website, were nearly half those prices. I know that the Collector's Guild can be on the more expensive end of the spectrum, but this is a dramatic increase in a very short time.

So, is the Collector's Guild just testing the limits here to the extreme, or have I missed out on a new or upcoming super surge in prices?

Chris

[240stevek]

There was a full size orig. bevo LAH title at the MAX (small rip on one end) for $900. Saturday afternoon it was down to 850.
I paid $90.00 for mine in 1978, and I remember folks thought that was high priced.
Steve

[viva_giulio]

PW ask to you 19% and 14 to buyer.
So the prices are setted by seller.