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    SS Capeagle. 155/38 Unknown ???

    Hi.

    I got this superb quality 155 Assmann & Soehne Luedenscheid capeagle in aluminium last week. It comes from Finland and personally I realy like this eagle. But I have read that the only known eagles like this is with the markings 155/36 and 155/42.
    But this one is marked 155/38 and I have not find this stamping in the literature !!!

    Opinions please !

    Regards Derek
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      Closeup of the markings.

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        closup of the markings.
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          I think we are agreed that Assmann made or supplied (not sure which is strickly correct) eagles marked 155/36 and 155/42 and also completely unmarked examples which are considered to be "late war". We also know that this type of flat pin was used as well as round pins and the method of attachment was simply to solder them on.

          So, even though I've never seen one before, why can't this be a real 155/38? It looks good from where I'm sitting.

          Didn't I read that Sayle F has got a 155/39 eagle??

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            #6
            nice eagle..with sharp detail looks nice...but its number 155/38 .???+
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              Originally posted by rzzzm
              nice eagle..with sharp detail looks nice...but its number 155/38 .???+
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              It looks an absolute beauty,really crisp It's the runes that trouble me too. I was under the impression that's always a bad sign,I've not seen this eagle before though. Be interested to hear whar Chris has to say.

              Cheers,Ian.

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                Originally posted by Ian Hulley
                It's the runes that trouble me too. I was under the impression that's always a bad sign...
                Ian, I do not understand. What about the runes do you think is a bad sign?

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                  Originally posted by bwanek1
                  Ian, I do not understand. What about the runes do you think is a bad sign?
                  Given the number of fakes WITH runes on they always raise my suspicion. As I said I've not studied this style before,presumably then they're normal with runes ? It really is extremely crisp on the detail isn't it ?

                  Cheers,Ian.

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                    Originally posted by Ian Hulley
                    Given the number of fakes WITH runes on they always raise my suspicion. As I said I've not studied this style before,presumably then they're normal with runes ? It really is extremely crisp on the detail isn't it ?

                    Cheers,Ian.
                    It is a nice, high quality eagle, but I have never seen or heard of a 155/38 before (only 36 and 42). Both the 36 and 42 have the SS in the circle in the same location. The 36 also has the RZM and contract numbers in the same location as this one. The 42 has the RZM on the next feather down from the runes (no feather between) with the numbers below that.

                    As for this one, I find features which I question, like the fact that the reverse die does not follow the zig-zag edge of the feathers in that same area (like it does on both the 36 and 42) and the extra partial circle on the feather above the RZM circle, which looks odd to me, but none of these things can cause me to declare it a fake at this point. Therefore, I place it in the 'unknown' category for now until someone (perhaps Chris) can shed further light on this oddity.

                    Brad

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                      Thank you very much for your opinions.

                      So the conclution is that this 155/38 SS eagle is original but finding it with the 38 year produced, it is very rare.
                      Probably Assmann & Soehne made very few of these eagles in 1938 and that could be the reason they are very hard to find ?

                      Regards
                      Derek
                      Last edited by DeMil; 05-23-2006, 09:20 AM.

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                        From the looks of that eagle I would say it was a good one. I have 36 and 42 maked eagles but I have no reason to think that they did not mark them 38 also. The dies were different with the different dated eagles that i have seen so I would imagine a few differences in the details would be there. Here is a pic of one of my 36 marked eagles(bottom eagle).
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                          ss eagle

                          Back/ same type pin attchment but only two pronged (top eagle)
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                            ss eagle

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                              thinking.....

                              The data here illustrates why the group think that obtains to much of this is more than dubious. That is, the drafting of a putative list, which takes on the character of dogma, and within eighteen months proves to be absurd. I, myself, have never seen an aluminum Assmann cap badge of this kind in forty years, but I am also sure that the illustrated examples are, indeed, authentic. New material comes to light without pause. For instance, I found a black SS officer's cap from a maker I have never seen in such regalia before, viz: Opolka and Mueller of Hamburg, which the Wilkins books describes as being a cap maker with no known extant examples. The list can be extended of the exceptions to group think ad infinitum. Thanks to our Scandinavian and Idaho-an colleagues for their visual data.

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