Photo of the "Dachau" collar tab ???

[Robert Noss]

Got another one today.
It is a small photo and not very clear, but I am puzzled about the collar tab.

Here it is:



I am quite sure that he is SS in an early earth-grey tunic.
Look at the side-cap too.



I think it could be the "D" collar tab for the Dachau guards.

Here is my (so far only) other photo of the "D" tab, of course much better.



What do You think about the first one ?

Kind regards
Robert

[Donald Abenheim]

Raetselhaft

The Mollo bok vol. 4 illustrates this 'D' badge in wear, as in your 2d image. Is it not possible that the chap in the Schiffchen is an SA Mann? Is this the eathbrown uniform? There are others here very expert in this material. Is this 1st photo somehow otherwise linked to Dachau in some way via an inscription &c.?

[Bob Coleman]

Robert-
It appears the man is wearing a brown tie. Most likely he is SA. The leather he is wearing also appears to be brown. The collar tab is possibly a letter designation for a member of a Gruppe Staff. Such a tab would have a hochrot base.
Bob

[Gesetz]

And an armband is just visible...

[John T]

Are these photos of the same man?

[derek]

Robert,
If I had to guess I would say that the tab looks rather like the early SA-Wachstandarte "Feldherrnhalle" patch that was in the form of a Gothic "W". By the way, thanks for the marvellous portrait of the member of Sturmbann Dachau.
Regards,
Derek

[RD Rygaard]

Great image Noss! It seems that Bauer specialized in high leader pics thats for sure,,,Maybe Derek is right but could it also be a musical lyre???? Im stumped.....earth brown could be early SS also did SA have the button on front of the overseas cap? If onlt he was facing right......

[Mr.Jerry D]

It may also be the Ustashi "U" collar tab with the flaming ball in the center.

[Robert Noss]

Hello friends,

wouldn't the Ustasha collar tab be very much later ?

I thought the SA did not have this kind of "Schiffchen" ? Did they ?

The buckle is a point that speaks against SS, right.

The 1st photo has nothing to do with the 2nd.

There is nothing on the back of the 1st photo, no date or place that would help us here.

Kind regards
Robert

[derek]

Dear Robert,

The SA had this style of Lagermutze as early as 1932 although it wasn't officially introduced until 1934. It was brown with a national eagle mounted on a coloured triangle on the side indicating the SA district. It was worn during marches and on exercises.
I would say that I'm pretty sure your photograph features a member of the SA.
Regards,
Derek