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    A Request For Help With LW Unit Emblems, Please - Geschwader, Gruppe, Staffel, or...

    I have owned this interesting item for almost 20 years, but I have never seriously undertaken the project of researching the Luftwaffe units here represented (it seems that I am always too busy researching my SS guys!)

    Anyway, I would certainly appreciate some assistance from fellow forum members to identify the emblems inside this shield. Thanks in advance!
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        good sir,
        the devil is recon unit 5.(H)pz/aufkl.gr1 formed late 1940 and redesigned in 42: hs126, fw189, bf110.
        he has a wooden eye.
        both kg30 and kg 36 have an eagle swooping down but neither with the lightning or 1
        the eagles head is on recon unit aufkl:gr 31 like the recon clasp bage.
        krim: recon unit ku. st ktim 1943 formed using aircraft of 3.(f)/11. he-111,bf 110e,f and g.
        eagle flying with emblem is 1942 onwards carring a merc emblem or car wheel:nagr 2
        their is an eagle over a tank for recon unit nagr 3 from 42 onwards for fw189.

        from what a can see it seems its for recon units and some of the badges are slight changes on the official emblems.
        I hope this is of some help to you a little.

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          Originally posted by pablo10 View Post
          good sir,
          the devil is recon unit 5.(H)pz/aufkl.gr1 formed late 1940 and redesigned in 42: hs126, fw189, bf110.
          he has a wooden eye.
          both kg30 and kg 36 have an eagle swooping down but neither with the lightning or 1
          the eagles head is on recon unit aufkl:gr 31 like the recon clasp bage.
          krim: recon unit ku. st ktim 1943 formed using aircraft of 3.(f)/11. he-111,bf 110e,f and g.
          eagle flying with emblem is 1942 onwards carring a merc emblem or car wheel:nagr 2
          their is an eagle over a tank for recon unit nagr 3 from 42 onwards for fw189.

          from what a can see it seems its for recon units and some of the badges are slight changes on the official emblems.
          I hope this is of some help to you a little.

          Thank you for your input, pablo10 - much appreciated. I am still a little "foggy" on the whole subject, though.

          You refer to aufkl. gr. 1, aufkl. gr. 31, nagr. 2, and nagr. 3, but I wonder if Luftwaffe gruppen would have had individual emblems. I can understand individual staffeln (squadrons) and individual geschwader (wings) having their own emblems, but groups? This is a strange concept for me...

          Please don't get me wrong - I am not challenging your input. I am just trying to generate further discussion on this topic...

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            Nine Months Later

            Is anybody else willing to "take a stab" at this subject for me?

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              Originally posted by GREG E. View Post
              Thank you for your input, pablo10 - much appreciated. I am still a little "foggy" on the whole subject, though.

              You refer to aufkl. gr. 1, aufkl. gr. 31, nagr. 2, and nagr. 3, but I wonder if Luftwaffe gruppen would have had individual emblems. I can understand individual staffeln (squadrons) and individual geschwader (wings) having their own emblems, but groups? This is a strange concept for me...

              Please don't get me wrong - I am not challenging your input. I am just trying to generate further discussion on this topic...
              Geschwader = squadron
              Gruppe = wing

              Both had emblems.

              A Staffel did not as far as I know.

              Individual planes also had emblems which could turn into a wing or squadron emblem if the pilot became wing or squadron leader or was extremely succesful.

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                #8
                This is a good site for starting- You need to click through it to get to LW symbols.

                http://www.wwiidaybyday.com/

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                  Originally posted by GREG E. View Post
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                    Originally posted by GREG E. View Post
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                      Source ?

                      Excellent contribution, Michael33! Thank you. May I ask your source of this information? Is it from a book? Or a website? Or...

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                        Originally posted by kaiserwilhelm2 View Post
                        Geschwader = squadron
                        Gruppe = wing

                        Both had emblems.

                        A Staffel did not as far as I know.

                        Individual planes also had emblems which could turn into a wing or squadron emblem if the pilot became wing or squadron leader or was extremely succesful.
                        A Geschwader was a wing, not a squadron. A geschwader , say for day fighters, was made up of three, sometimes four gruppen, which consisted of three or four staffeln, or squadrons.
                        Many staffeln, at least early in the war, had their own insignia.

                        Geschwader= Wing 110-150 aircraft
                        Gruppe= Group 36-48 aircraft
                        Staffel= Squadron 12 aircraft
                        Stab= Staff, or HQ flight, 3-5 aircraft.

                        Bob Shoaf

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                          Originally posted by GREG E. View Post
                          Excellent contribution, Michael33! Thank you. May I ask your source of this information? Is it from a book? Or a website? Or...
                          it's Luftwaffe reconnaissance and unknown emblem exploration Luftwaffe


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                            here is a link to the book for you, it a very good reference book.
                            http://www.amazon.com/Luftwaffe-Embl...+the+luftwaffe

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                              Originally posted by pablo10 View Post
                              here is a link to the book for you, it a very good reference book.
                              http://www.amazon.com/Luftwaffe-Embl...+the+luftwaffe
                              this old book that's new

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