Mortar grenade and handgrenade - what are they???

[Theodor]

Wow, last days it's raining grenades

First of all, a mortar grenade. Which period? Which country??

[Theodor]

And what about this lemon? It's been used for a while as a trainer /red paint/, but what is it originally?

[Theodor]

another view

[Gary Jucha]

German 80mm

The mortar round looks like a German ww2 80mm ...
.. And the Grenade looks very "French" ... possibly a 1915 model "F1" or 1916 model "F1"

Gary J.

[Chet Sowersby]

Theodor,
Gary is right about the first one being a WW2 German 80mm mortar. Too bad it is missing it's fuze assembly. I have no idea about the second one however.

Chet

[Theodor]

Wow great thank you very much! The second one - the French had similar, the Russians too... quite many possibilities

[mietek]

Hi.

Russian is possible: http://inert-ord.net/russ02i/f1_ww2/index.html

mietek

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Theodor, I would agree with Gary and Mietek and say an "F1" too, these were a WW1 French design copied by the Soviets.


Cheers, Ade.

[Zünder]

The mortarshell is NOT german, the fins are to thick, and the shaft is to short.
If it was a german mortar shell, it would have been a 8 cm Wurfgranate 34, these are 311 mm high, without fuze.

I suspect it's either russian or DDR.

[Edelweiss]

Here's a WWII french "grenade DF" (défensive) for comparison. It's still in its original blue-grey paint ; the fuse is original to it, only the pin is not "right" (it's a US one) ; notice the "small notches in the neck and base" here, like the russian ones on the site linked above.

[Edelweiss]

The other side and maker's mark ; I'm not convinced Pr Théo's examplary is french...

[Adrian Stevenson]

Hi Chris, nice F1 that you show.

When I refered to Theo's grenade as an "F1", I was more thinking of a Soviet one, as opposed to the French original.

Checkout this link, which is from the site that Mietek listed, but which shows a post war Soviet example which I think is like Theo's:

http://inert-ord.net/russ02i/f1_ebloc/index.html

Cheers, Ade.

[mietek]

Hi.

i stil think it's Russian (or other comunist block copy). There are differences. French one has not flat bottom part etc.

Best regards

mietek

[Edelweiss]

Thanks Ade ; maybe the markings on the body will give the final answer. Anyway, I agree with both of you ; as Mietek stated, mine has a relatively rounded bottom, with a screw (plug) closing the filling hole.

[Theodor]

Thanks a lot guys! This solves it - the "lemons" are either Soviet, or Bulgarian /postwar/.

as for the Mortar, found some numbers on the side, a little lower then the rings. They are 6 - 4.894 - 51 /not sure for the 51/. Under these - 23.7
Probably it is russian, but will wait to see, may be Bulgarian wWII? If not will change it for something else /maybe a T-55? /