RSI perio M ROSSE or fakes

[ITALIANWARFRONT]

I bid on this on eBay but I'm afraid this are reproductions.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Italian-034-...p2047675.l2557

Any help from the Italians I'm sure you are more up to date with the new fakes

Giorgio

[John T]

Interesting Giorgio,

When you get it you can compare the size with the regular pattern to see if they are same. If they were cast from the normal style then they will be smaller. You can see remnants of the markings on the back (in Italian language -reproduction prohibited etc) so I think they are castings from the early pattern with screw posts on the back, but was it done during the war or recently? I believe the ones made during the RSI era had no markings on the back, but the Italian collectors will know more,

John

[ITALIANWARFRONT]

Interesting Giorgio,

When you get it you can compare the size with the regular pattern to see if they are same. If they were cast from the normal style then they will be smaller. You can see remnants of the markings on the back (in Italian language -reproduction prohibited etc) so I think they are castings from the early pattern with screw posts on the back, but was it done during the war or recently? I believe the ones made during the RSI era had no markings on the back, but the Italian collectors will know more,

John

Thank you John, I was watching the pictures from my phone and were not to clear but I saw some late war RSI period made with that kind of attachment in the back but also some repro have the same attachement

[Dennis S]

Giorgio, I think they fakes. Here is a photo of the pin attachments of RSI period made ones. They are not mine, but a photo I archived.

Notice the pin back is a continuess loop not separate , similar to a Lorioli skull. They are also without maker.

Sorry for bad pic.

[Dennis S]

Fronts

Also look at the sharp definition of the fasces. The one you posted seems liking this especially in the rods. As if cast.

[John T]

Interesting picture Dennis. On your example on the left one, you can see how on the interior cutouts of the "M" where the angles come together it is very crisp and pointy, but on Giorgio's the same areas are very curved as if made by another process. Also, your metal looks like zinc or something, maybe that is zamac, but the one ones that Giorgio posted look like a better quality metal like nickel.

[Dennis S]

What I meant to say in my last post was...... The one posted seems to be cast especially if you look at the rods.

Yes John , the use use of nickel would be quite contrary to RSI production, if that is what the material is. I would think RSI period production would be a zamac or zinky

[ITALIANWARFRONT]

What I meant to say in my last post was...... The one posted seems to be cast especially if you look at the rods.

Yes John , the use use of nickel would be quite contrary to RSI production, if that is what the material is. I would think RSI period production would be a zamac or zinky

thank you both of you and see you soon at the SOS

Giorgio

[Raffaello Carola]

agreed not an good one; during the RSI period the "M" not are marked back side
(in photo are marked) produced only in zinc.
cheers
Raffaello