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**Lutfen** · 11-18-2019, 07:22 AM

I agree! In particular, IMO, if you can't be sure when the 'D's were added it is best to leave them as-is.

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Michael

Originally posted by AntiqueWW2 View Post

Why he should start to play Tailor with that Tunic? Nothing wrong with the Eagle, Boards are fine. There is no "supposed to be place" for an Eagle. As long as there are no shadow from where the Eagle was in the first place, he sit just fine. And if the D was there from start or not, noone can say for sure. Why to start replace with something what never was there, make not much sense. It is fine as it is, will look great on Display. Leave it as is and be happy with it

**Waffenreich** · 11-18-2019, 12:37 PM

This Forum is really getting ridiculous. I don't know if it's a language/translation thing or if some guys just can't hold back from jumping to conclusions.

I said if the tunic was MINE I would "probably" do this or that. Did I tell him he should remove the cyphers?? NO! Did I tell him he should move the eagle? NO! He asked a question and I responded with what I thought is a reasonably sound opinion - and in case you didn't catch it the first time go back and read it again. I gave him the pros and cons which is by far a hell of a lot more than most people get when they ask a question on this Forum.

And yes, there is a "supposed to be place" for that eagle and it's above the pocket! Any M-36 with a wreath on the pocket flap is just plain sloppy tailoring or an inexperienced idiot trying to restore it.

Over and out!

**TWS** · 11-18-2019, 12:50 PM

Nice Tunic. My thoughts are along the lines of Waffenreich. The "D" cypher (or any unit designation cypher) would normally be more inboard or closer to the shoulder board button with a unit numeral(s) "below" it towards the shoulder seam. Although for every rule there are exceptions. I would carefully examine the edges of the cyphers and see if they do look embedded in the boards. This is where art and science intersect and you have to decided on your comfort level on how long the cyphers have been on the boards.

**AntiqueWW2** · 11-18-2019, 02:07 PM

There is no supposed to be palce so simple is that. I have several Tunic with Eagle original on them, where the Eagle is all over the Place...left right up down, Tailors choice. But who the hell would go and remove a Eagle just because it sits a bit down. If all looks great, then leave it as is and be happy with it. But looks like the World is full of Crybabys....when you write something...ohhhh Boom the Rocket goes off. I just give my Opinion and so did you. Nothing ridiculous there, no conclusions nothing personal. Simple my Opinion.

Originally posted by Waffenreich View Post

This Forum is really getting ridiculous. I don't know if it's a language/translation thing or if some guys just can't hold back from jumping to conclusions.

I said if the tunic was MINE I would "probably" do this or that. Did I tell him he should remove the cyphers?? NO! Did I tell him he should move the eagle? NO! He asked a question and I responded with what I thought is a reasonably sound opinion - and in case you didn't catch it the first time go back and read it again. I gave him the pros and cons which is by far a hell of a lot more than most people get when they ask a question on this Forum.

And yes, there is a "supposed to be place" for that eagle and it's above the pocket! Any M-36 with a wreath on the pocket flap is just plain sloppy tailoring or an inexperienced idiot trying to restore it.

Over and out!

**Waffenreich** · 11-18-2019, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by AntiqueWW2 View Post

There is no supposed to be palce so simple is that. I have several Tunic with Eagle original on them, where the Eagle is all over the Place...left right up down, Tailors choice. But who the hell would go and remove a Eagle just because it sits a bit down. If all looks great, then leave it as is and be happy with it. But looks like the World is full of Crybabys....when you write something...ohhhh Boom the Rocket goes off. I just give my Opinion and so did you. Nothing ridiculous there, no conclusions nothing personal. Simple my Opinion.

Ok - let's move on then.

**PZKG** · 11-18-2019, 05:49 PM

Guess they didn't read Bobs memo!

Cheers

Mads

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**Britian_Jacky** · 11-18-2019, 05:55 PM

Thank you very much. Um lets chill with the posts, I come back from work and I see 7 more posts haha. Anyways thank you for the help. I have decided to leave the D as it is. No point in taking it off and faffing around. Also PZ, do you have a link to bobs memo? Thanks.

Also, I have checked the area where the eagle usually is and I can’t see any shadows of an eagle, but I’ll take a close up, in case anyone can see a shadow.

**PZKG** · 11-18-2019, 06:15 PM

Hello,

Bobs memo is simply waffenreichs rule that eagle HAS to be above the pocket which is simply not the case.

Some more pictures as they say a 1000 words.

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**Waffenreich** · 11-18-2019, 10:55 PM

Some very nice pics Mads.

You're a riot on the memo. The point I was trying to make is that by design of the tunic, the eagle was meant to be positioned above the pocket. If I can find the text of the original design regulation I will post it. If someone else finds and posts something definitive related to the service or field blouse that says "on the pocket" then I will pay for that person's next association dues renewal (and I'm good for it).

You have provided ample evidence that they were positioned in some cases on the pocket flap (tropical tunics by design). I attribute that to the misinterpretation by the tailor of what was meant by "above the pocket".

Again, some really nice pics and thanks for posting them.

vr

Bob

**CSP** · 11-19-2019, 11:50 AM

For what it may be worth, I recall information that the requirements were that the eagle was to be centered on the pocket/ button and oriented in such a way as to be parallel to the horizontal when a tunic was worn.

There can be little doubt that guidance concerning insignia - in any respect - was at times ignored...but eagles above the pocket seam was normal placement.

**CSP** · 11-19-2019, 07:44 PM

PS: the RKT with the AFRIKAKORPS cufftitle appears to have had his portrait made wearing a privately tailored officer's tropical tunic...in which case the convention on regulation tropical field tunics was to overlap the eagle. He may have been following that convention on his privately tailored tunic.

**PZKG** · 11-20-2019, 11:24 AM

I agree that the rule was to have it above the pocket and on 95% of the M36 officer tunic you will find just that.
But sometimes as we all know they didn't quite follow that as seen on the pictures.

The OP's tunic might have an original sewn eagle and then again it might be reaplied as the eagle in question is of the large type which will cover the smaller types easily without a trace.
Still I think he should leave it as it might be originaly wartime applied and nothing is more boring than tearing it off and seeing that it was originaly applied.

AS for the D I tend to agree with Bob(Waffenreich) as it is not very settled in the shoulderboards.

Don't collect tropical tunics so I didn't know the eagle was supposed to sit over the pocketflap on those, but now I learned something new which is always good.

Cheers

Mads

**Britian_Jacky** · 11-21-2019, 12:49 AM

Thank you very much guys, I have learned a little from this. I will keep everything as is. I agree myself that the D cypher is not settled and sort of just sits on top rather than more sunken in on the shoulder boards. However this seems to be the only thing that is the problem but I don’t think it’s necessary to remove them. I’m happy to hear the tunic is original and that I made the right call. If everything else is original to the tunic then I’m not fussed. Again, thank you guys and I hope to find more nice tunics.

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