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    Special 5th Pattern GD Cufftitle

    At last weekends semi annual militaria show in Schertz (San Antonio) I managed to pick up this rare GD CT. Scott Pritchett calls it the 5th pattern, but in all likelihood it was the second style of CT that was actually manufactured and worn. Scott believes it was a locally sanctioned and produced variation. Wartime pictures show it being worn in 1940. Most likely it was introduced after the first pattern in Gothic script on a green band but prior to the third pattern in Sutterlin script on a black band. The second pattern for Inf. Regt. Grossdeutschland most likely was never produced.

    Scott identifies three variations of the 5th pattern. I believe mine is the type B but it has many features of the type A.

    The type A was manufactured on a thin wool (Scott states you can see the needle holes when held up to the light). You can see single strands of thread between some of the letters on the back. It was embroidered in a thicker style of lettering then the type B. There are surviving full length examples of the type A.

    The Type B was executed on a soft but thicker wool. The Russian braid is white and the lettering in silver grey thread. There are no full length surviving examples of the type B CT.

    Type C was identical to the type A except that it used aluminum wire soutache.

    I attached some comparisons of my CT to those in Scotts awesome book. I can clearly see needle holes when I hold my CT up to the light similar to the description provided in Scotts book. However since I don't have a type A to compare it with I don't know if mine is thick or thin per Scotts narrative. The fact that mine is also not full length brings up the question whether they were manufactured that way. Anyway enjoy and feel free to comment. Regards Jim
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    Heres mine compared to the type A in Scotts book. Mines in the middle.
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      #3
      Congrats Jim. Cool find

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        #4
        Front and back comparison to those in Scotts book.
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          #5
          Heres a wartime picture of the CT in wear. I'm hoping Scott doesn't mind me using his pictures, but if HE does I hope the moderator can delete them. Unfortunately unless you own Scotts GD series its unlikely you know anything about this CT. fWR Jim
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            #6
            Originally posted by galizien41 View Post
            Congrats Jim. Cool find
            Thanks Jerry. Fortunately no one else knew what it was and I managed to get it for a fair price. Jim

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              #7
              A very nice find!

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                #8
                why on Your eqsamle letters are more thin than on CT in Scotts book?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Frozzer View Post
                  why on Your eqsamle letters are more thin than on CT in Scotts book?
                  The letters on the type A are certainly thicker. Comparing his type B to mine some letters appear thicker some not. Scott's theory is that the CTs were locally produced which could have resulted in some variance in the embroidery. Just look at the production of the officially sanctioned 3d model CT. Regards Jim

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                    #10
                    If the cufftitle that started this Thread is blessed as an original then I think this warrants another, more objective look.

                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...fftitle&page=2
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Waffenreich View Post
                      If the cufftitle that started this Thread is blessed as an original then I think this warrants another, more objective look.

                      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...fftitle&page=2
                      Your example is a Bevo version on black vs the embroidered versions shown in Scott's book. I don't recall any wartime pictures or other evidence to show that the 1st Model CT was manufacturered on anything but a green band. So it's like comparing apples and oranges. Maybe Scott can way in.

                      Anyway I believe mine is an original embroidered 5th pattern, if others believe differently, that's okay.

                      Regards Jim

                      PS I read the other thread and will agree that the version you presented is certainly unique. I can't offer any opinions as to originality. Before Scott's book came out I saw one of these 5th patterns and thought it was fake. So I'm in no position to judge the one you presented.
                      Last edited by djpool; 10-23-2017, 10:50 PM.

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                        GD title

                        This particular title is easily overlooked as being a fantasy piece. I saw one on a website sit for months, before I bought it after reading Scott P's books. Knowledge truly is power in collecting.

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                          #13
                          Congratulations Jim! Amazing and rare find.
                          Don't mind your using the pics.

                          The term "5th pattern" was not intended to convey its sequence in the progression...but that was not made clear in the book.
                          CSP


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                            #14
                            Originally posted by CSP View Post
                            Congratulations Jim! Amazing and rare find.
                            Don't mind your using the pics.

                            The term "5th pattern" was not intended to convey its sequence in the progression...but that was not made clear in the book.
                            Thank you Scott. The whole hobby owes you are debt of gratitude for enlightening us on this unique piece of insignia. For anyone interested in Division Grossdeuthschand, Scott's 3 volume series is required reading. Jim

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