Fred Green - Is this real?

[tgn]

Hey Fred,
Is this early panzer T-insignia real?

Other opinions welcome as well, or course.

Tom

[madandi]

Yes, Fred knows them best.
But this is an easy fake

[hcliffe]

Look at the arms of the swaz. They do not line up!

[Lenny W]

Yes, Fred knows them best.
But this is an easy fake

Yep fake
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=344867

[longislandercjv]

I have never seen an original Panzer "T" insignia with WHITE eagle.
The GRAY eagle is the only Panzer "T" insignia that I've seen.
(Ditto Flat silver wire Panzer "T"; never saw that one either!!)

Fred, how about you??

[tgn]

I have never seen an original Panzer "T" insignia with WHITE eagle.
The GRAY eagle is the only Panzer "T" insignia that I've seen.
(Ditto Flat silver wire Panzer "T"; never saw that one either!!)

Fred, how about you??

Very interesting observation and excellent information.

Tom

[BROBS]

also it doesn't seem like the back threads are twisted?

material looks nylon-like as well... but folded behind to fool.
-Brian

[pauke]

orig

If you have a white Panzer cap eagle and compare it to the "T" in question you can see the difference. Ditto everything Chris just wrote.

[Fred Green]

Tom,

It looks like you got your answer!!

I have never seen the white on black "T" form and don't believe that they were ever made. I have never seen a Flatwire "T" form either.

Fred

[tgn]

Fred, I hope you don't mean ANY flatwire T-insignia . Another forum member poster this really nice one on another thread.

Tom

[Fred Green]

Tom,

Thank you! PANZER Flatwire "T" Form!!

Fred

[tgn]

Tom,

Thank you! PANZER Flatwire "T" Form!!

Fred

Now I agree with you!

Tom

[MarcoPennisi]

I have never seen an original Panzer "T" insignia with WHITE eagle.
The GRAY eagle is the only Panzer "T" insignia that I've seen.
(Ditto Flat silver wire Panzer "T"; never saw that one either!!)

Fred, how about you??

Gray vs white is what makes a difference, first of the misalignment of the swastika arms. These "T" shaped insignia were earmarked for the rare 2-button Army Panzer garrison cap introduced in 1942 , that is two years after the color of Army cap and breast eagles had been changed from white to gray. The forger seems to have overlooked this synchronicity.
MP

[Fred Green]

Gray vs white is what makes a difference, first of the misalignment of the swastika arms. These "T" shaped insignia were earmarked for the rare 2-button Army Panzer garrison cap introduced in 1942 , that is two years after the color of Army cap and breast eagles had been changed from white to gray. The forger seems to have overlooked this synchronicity.
MP

Hello MP,

I believe that this is true for the panzer "T" and only the panzer "T". As Tom posted a beautiful 1st pattern "T" form and I have owned white on dark green and Grey on dark green. These were first used on the bergmutze.

Fred