Help me identify these cut insignias

[jmaynard76]

Hey guys, can you help me identify these? They came in a collection and I have some ideas but not exactly sure what they are or if they are authentic. Any help would be appreciated.....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/whw50kqdbm...image.jpg?dl=0


https://www.dropbox.com/s/2ikccapygu...mage2.jpg?dl=0

[Fred Green]

Hello,

Both are know reproductions.

Fred

[tmca05]

I agree, both are fakes. Take a Black light to the 1st one and watch it glow. The second will melt under closely applied heat.