Large shoulder boards

[Myth]

Hello
I have this pair of shoulder boards.
They are 5.3cm width

But i don't know if they are heer or km coastal art.

They are more bleu than km green and heer uniform.

No trace of tresse, embroided ou piped numbers or anchors.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/unif...s/Enlisted.htm

Here, I don't know if I can take it as photo 1 or 9d or any of those

And I see on this early KM/late RM photo shoulder boards large and clear


Here are mine





So reichsmarine? coastal artillery? early heer?

Thank you for your help
Fred

[Myth]

Here are 2 others pics
The large one beside m35 square dark green on a m36 feldbluse
It's exactly the same frame and almost the same color




Thanks

[Johnny R]

These could be very early Heer, they wore boards like this for a very short time prior to Dec. 1934. Width and length varied greatly with these Boards that are sort of what I call like a WWI style etc.

[Johnny R]

These are Heer and about the same size and proportions being rather short and wide. They date from late 1935-late 1938 after the Heer went to the blue green cloth. I think boards were made in different sizes for different size individuals. These may have been for smaller soldiers. Have seen this for officers boards as well.

[Myth]

Thank you Johnny

So according to WA

There were two patterns of shoulder straps used during the Third Reich period. The 1st Pattern initially closely resembled the straps of the Imperial German Army. The button end was pointed and there was no Waffenfarbe piping. They were first made of basic uniform cloth, but on 10 December 1934 this was changed to field grey badge cloth. Less than a year later, on 10 September 1935 this was again changed to bluish-dark green badge cloth (Photo 2).

Chronologically it gives this

Imperial (...-21)


Reichswehr (21-33)


Early Wehrmacht (33-12/34)


Wehrmacht (12/34-09/35)


Wehrmacht (09/35-12/38)


Then round piped dark green etc.

Am I right?

[Johnny R]

Yes, sort of but it is a little more complicated in WWI the Army had piped edges on boards (M1907) until 1915 and then went to unpiped boards.

After the War the Provisional RH 1919-1920 used shoulder cords that were very narrow.

In 1921 they went to a piped board that looks most like a 2nd pattern Heer strap (1938+-1945) with piped edges. In the early 30s they went to a field grey board like you posted that is similar to the M1915 straps.

In late 1935 they went to a board like the one I posted and then in late 1938 they went back to a rounded tip board like the RH had used but with a darker green cloth lie M36 collars.

Sometime in 1940, boards returned to be made of the "base cloth" which was the same as the fabric for the tunic, returning once more to WWI and the early Heer boards like you posted.

The one RH board you posted is for a lightweight moleskin tunic on moleskin fabric. RH boards for the wool tunics used a fine light grey green wool similar to the collars of Imperial M15 tunics like the first boards posted.

The second image also shows the wide variation in board sizes, the largest is a Pre and Early WWI era board for the blue tunic. You can see how big it is compared to the circa 1935 board. Pretty simple eh?

[Myth]

Hell yeah, pretty simple

Well, thank you very much for your help, I backup this discuss in case of.

Finally, I made the good choice to take them, for my new project.

Thank you again
Fred