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**Erwin L** · 08-08-2012, 11:39 AM

Hello Reggu

I'm sorry but to be honoust i'm not convinced that this is a wartime field made wrapper. The hooks are very rusty while the jacket doesn't show wear for instance. For me this raise some questions.

Best

Erwin

**pak 40** · 08-08-2012, 12:01 PM

I like it , the hooks are a nice feature that was often done for a slim fit .
the hooks have a nice patina,and the ruststains and thread looks natural aged over years and matches nicely with the wrapper.
I believe in it.

**pak 40** · 08-08-2012, 12:06 PM

i like to hear wat others say, at first glance it looks alright tough .

**DennyB** · 08-08-2012, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by Erwin L View Post

Hello Reggu

I'm sorry but to be honoust i'm not convinced that this is a wartime field made wrapper. The hooks are very rusty while the jacket doesn't show wear for instance. For me this raise some questions.

Best

Erwin

I have seen rusty hooks and buttons on otherwise very good condition uniforms. I figure the humidity had played a factor.
To me, that alone would not poo-poo the jacket.

**Reggu** · 08-08-2012, 12:13 PM

I see your point Erwin!

The thing is that in hand it looks better than on the photos, there not beeing rust staines on the front closure loop can be that it has been stored unbuttoned ( i suppose the rust came when stored maybee from an humid environment )

**derka** · 08-08-2012, 12:19 PM

certainly not the kind of supposed ww2 field made item i would purchase.
but in this area, we all have our own criterias and experience to apreciate what we are ready to believe in.
derka

**CWP** · 08-08-2012, 12:27 PM

I agree with Derka. Not for me, from those pictures anyway, but if another collector feels comfortable with it, I don't take issue with that. There is nothing here that I could point to and say, "This trait means it is fake." But the lack of wear and overall look don't meet my personal expectations and comfort level. Ultimately with something like this it comes down to a gut feeling, to faith and belief. There is no proof and a consensus on something like this just means a bunch of people are taking the same guess.

**antifake** · 08-08-2012, 01:59 PM

Hard to judge from pictures, but it looks old made to me.

**Erwin L** · 08-08-2012, 02:21 PM

Hello Denny

I have seen that to but i only believe in it when the clothing is textbook and not field made. It is not so difficult to put used rusty hooks in some cloth. Put it away for some time and you have a bit of rust on the cloth.

It's just my observation and in this case something in my head says no. I'm sorry. It's always difficult with fieldmade items to say when they were made. If you got it from a vet with hopefully some kind of photo provenance, then i will change my mind

If the buyer is happy then it is ok for me

Regards

Erwin

**Erwin L** · 08-08-2012, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by antifake View Post

Hard to judge from pictures, but it looks old made to me.

From here it looks relatively new with rusty hooks

Regards

Erwin

**PanzerJager1944** · 08-08-2012, 02:43 PM

The thing that jumps out at me and would be a concern in my book is the lack of wear on the interior especially around the collar and where the sleeves join the body. In the last photo posted I would expect to see more wear and fraying to the fabric where the sleeve joins the body, even if the garment was only lightly worn. Looking at that photo the edges of the fabric look pretty crisp with very little wear if any at all.

**Willi Z.** · 08-08-2012, 05:17 PM

I too find the lack of natural wear to be a concern. Plus the fabric just doesn't "lay right". I think it had been heavily washed after sewn to artificially age it. That is why the hooks are rusted the way they are and the contrast between the larger areas of fabric is so very different than the areas which have been stitched.

**WEISNER** · 08-09-2012, 12:11 AM

I will jump on the band wagon and say my immediate thought was where is the wear??? this is my opinion but it just looks very fresh and unworn to me! give me some hooks and I can sew them to some material and hand them back in a rusty condition with rust bleed into the cloth in a months time, so the rusty hooks are to me no sign of being old.

it is a nice looking wrap and would look great kitted up and displayed, if it could be had for a very cheap price.

My thought is that if a man had this made by the CT? then he would have worn it every day, and it would show wear accordingly in the relevant places already mentioned above by our esteemed colleagues!

There are field made tunics, trousers, hats etc here on the forum that are one lookers and scream I was there, this to me screams I was made last year.

Again this is only my opinion!

Happy Hunting!

Kevin

**Reggu** · 08-09-2012, 04:14 AM

I understand your concerns gentlemen, and you guys made me a little insecure there for a while!

So i took and contacted him (the man who sold the jacket) who is a man in germany that deals with old furniture and porcelan figures etc, not militaria... So i asked him more about where he got it he said this:

I have had the jacket from an old man 92 years of age, the old man himself told him that he was involved in the end fightings in Hungarys capital Budapest and the jacket was made just prior to that...

I know this could just be a lie but so could infact everything else i have ever heard be to!

The jacket really speaks to me and im very happy about it regardless of if it was worn 2 weeks or just 2 days at the end of ww2

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