LW Flak Major's Tunic loop opinions

[Terry K.]

Hi All,
I picked this up at the SOS. It came with no medals and I am going to put some on. The loops on the left are the usual, but what do you think went on the right? DKiG/S, Spanish cross, etc...???

[Terry K.]

other side

[Terry K.]

last

let me know what you think

[Rick Research]

Flak Badge

I think upper left is WW2 EK1 or KVK1X, while lower left is a wound or National sports badge.

Now on the right... of the THREE loops

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The upper two are an obvious small space pair, while the lower one was added at a different time (or repaired).

They look too close together to me to be anything but as below, with the third loop for raising or lowering this award (Turkish WW1 War Medal star) as whim or belt dictated:

[mads]

I disagree on the left pocket Rick.
I think it should be the 1914 EK1 with a 1939 spange over it.
You can see the uniform has the second class spange....so it would be logical.
Just my opinion though.

Mads

[Terry K.]

Hi All,

Thanks Mads!

Rick,
the lower left loops fit the Flak badge perfectly, like it was made for it. The EKI also fits perfect, but the repro spange doesn't.
Also what ribbon bar would be correct?

[Rick Research]

What's the distance in mm between the outside of the end loops of the ribbon bar? That will tell you how many ribbons were on it.

From the EK2 Spange and Flak Badge, chances are this guy was an (E) recalled officer and not an ancient war's duration zV retread--

so on a ribbon bar: 1914 EK2, Hindenburg Cross X, Luftwaffe 4... and then how much more ribbons spaces have you got?

PS There are many different post-WW1 German made Turkish War Medal stars, so you need one with an upright German style pin, and that fits snugly the space of those right pocket loops. The wrong make won't fit right... so you need to measure and carry a mm scale around with you to get the "right" one.

[Terry K.]

Here are some closer pics, it is 2 5/8 inches end to end

[Terry K.]

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[Terry K.]

flak badge

[Rick Research]

Perfect badge fit on the Flak.

There is some wiggle where you have the 1914 EK1 on the BOTTOM of the left pocket:

The only things that would be above either war's EK1 would be a Spange or a Gold Party Badge. Neither of those fitting in the UPPER loops on the left pocket, those would seem to be for a KVK1X, especially the type with the catch molded in one piece with the body-- those have shorter pins. The lower loops where you have the EK1 now would probably fit a National sports badge (The DRA-DRL-DRL with swastika types) better than a Wound Badge.

From the closeup of the low right pocket loops (about 65 mm) it looks like that bottom loop WAS the same as the others, just more worn than the upper two looked in the first scan of that pocket.

Has anybody with German Cross or Spanish Cross tunics seen one with three rather than two loops like this?

If a molded catch KVK1X fits in the upper left pocket loops, that lets out a German Cross for the right pocket.

[Erich B.]

loops

I've got one with 2 loops for what I assumed was a DK.
Erich

[Rick Research]

Yeah, that's what I thought from my pawing over TR tunics over the years.

That's why I thought the

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here was for a SMALLER award to be worn either high OR low through TWO of the three loops.

I've seen DKiG loops arranged "overlapping," two sets of two loops where it was clearly impossible for TWO awards to have been worn at the same time, but so the wearer could shift position where he felt like or had to wear the one:

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sort of arrangements.