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    #16
    GREEN SHIRT - opinion please

    Hello,

    Stamp reads "1954 4430".

    C.
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    Last edited by MilitaryCollect; 05-15-2009, 10:15 PM.

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      #17
      Originally posted by corporalSteiner View Post
      id have liked those collar corners longer, as most shirts of the day were. this collar shape seems modern. just a feeling.
      I would agree. Not a good feeling about this one...

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        #18
        hello,
        i think "41" stamp is for colar size expressed in cm.
        derka

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          #19
          Originally posted by corporalSteiner View Post
          id have liked those collar corners longer, as most shirts of the day were. this collar shape seems modern. just a feeling.
          you mean longer like this one ??
          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=355979

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            #20
            Originally posted by DAKcollector1 View Post
            Hello,

            Stamp reads "1954 4430".

            C.

            my is stamped 42 8 0 311 and below 1864 4422.

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              #21
              Originally posted by derka View Post
              hello,
              i think "41" stamp is for colar size expressed in cm.
              derka
              I must agree with you : my shirts is stamped 42 and I have just measured it and it has 42 cm in collar.

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                #22
                The two four-digit numbers are batches, not years of production.

                When Christopher got his shirt from a vet's family and we have at least three shirts (the one 19BARBAROSA41 started the thread with, the tropical one of Christopher/DAKCollector1 and my blue-grey specimen) with short collar tips, and this special weave pattern was discussed and approved on other (long collar tip) shirts, I would say all those shirts have a VERY good chance to be genuine by pure logic. Shirts are a difficult field and what I have seen here just backed my positive opinion about the short collar shirts made of these weave fabric.

                I also prefer the long collar tip shirts as they represent the fashion on the time the war started. But there a repros out there with those kind of collar tips, too. It is impossible to judge based on the length of the collar tips alone.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by RamJet View Post
                  The two four-digit numbers are batches, not years of production.

                  When Christopher got his shirt from a vet's family and we have at least three shirts (the one 19BARBAROSA41 started the thread with, the tropical one of Christopher/DAKCollector1 and my blue-grey specimen) with short collar tips, and this special weave pattern was discussed and approved on other (long collar tip) shirts, I would say all those shirts have a VERY good chance to be genuine by pure logic. Shirts are a difficult field and what I have seen here just backed my positive opinion about the short collar shirts made of these weave fabric.

                  I also prefer the long collar tip shirts as they represent the fashion on the time the war started. But there a repros out there with those kind of collar tips, too. It is impossible to judge based on the length of the collar tips alone.
                  Hello,

                  I agree. I can not think of any reason to doubt the source of my DAK shirt. More importantly, the proliferation of this style & weave in Heer tropical green, Heer continental blue-grey and Luft tropical tan would seem to indicate German wartime manufacture. Unlike modern fakes or Czech surplus, this style is on the "rarer" side and is seldom seen.

                  I too have a "traditional" German tropical shirt just like 19BARBAROSSA41's in post 19 below. But I also have this heavier and more durable WW2 German variant.

                  Best,

                  Christopher
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                    #24
                    Hi Christopher,

                    I suppose my blue-grey one is a Luftwaffe shirt. As I said, will do some pics until the end of next week.

                    Have a nice evening,
                    Steve

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                      #25
                      shirt

                      More like this one......bought a few years ago in Germany with to other types in greene...near mint......take a look at the extreme pointed collar......
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                      Last edited by Eric Mill; 05-17-2009, 05:58 AM.

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                        #26
                        Full length

                        Full length backside...take a look how extreme long the shirt is.......(distance sleeve ends to end of shirt).........all the shirt i have encountered have this rather long "look" ..........
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                        Last edited by Eric Mill; 05-17-2009, 06:00 AM.

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                          #27
                          Detail pocket

                          Detail pocket...all over paper/cardboard buttons.....
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                          Last edited by Eric Mill; 05-17-2009, 06:00 AM.

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                            #28
                            Detail collar

                            Detail collar
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                              #29
                              Sleeve ends

                              Sleeve ends
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                                #30
                                Eric,

                                I would say Your shirt has a normal pointed collar. Please compare with my textbook short-sleeve tropical shirt:







                                (More here: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t+afrika+shirt )


                                The collar fashion obviously changed during the war, You could see that on the privately tailored fighter pilot leather jackets. I have one with a pointed collar indicating early war time, but look at pics of Erich Hartmann or others in 1944 or compare with other genuine examples now in collections and You will notice shorter collar tips.

                                The extreme length of the shirts also was abandoned when material supply got shorter and shorter in war years. Especially for the manufacturers in the occupied countries which got contracts for so-and-so much thousand shirts and a material contingent to make them from ...

                                A VERY long shirt with VERY long collar tips has VERY good chances to be genuine early war. But that doesn't mean that a shorter one with small collar could not be period. Don't forget: The early enlisted man shirts had no collar at all.

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