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I am sorry but the boards look put together post War to me. Are the devices pushed all the way through the boards?Comment
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I like what I see so far. I think better pictures of the boards and how they are attached might help. However, the boards seem to be tightly sewn?
SteveLast edited by airborne_steve; 05-08-2009, 03:30 PM.Comment
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VERY nice wrapper my friend. Original one indeed. The shoulderboards troubles me too. The number 1 and the S are very low applied. I rather would have seen them more in the middle of the shoulderboards. Just my opinion.
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I mean the devices were added to the boards, towards the date of them being applied, I don't know. As far as I know, and I took the tour of Panzerschule Munster. The Armor school was not based there until 1956.Originally posted by airborne_steve View PostComment
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Hi!
I won't comment on the originality of the boards, or the collar tabs, since I don't want to do that from the photos, but I will comment on the meaning of the S1's. Normally, they would have been for a member of Schützen-Regiment 1 of the 1. Panzer-Division. Of course, S1 became PGR 1 in late 1942, if memory serves me correctly. Regardless, it was eventually redesigned as a Panzergrenadier-Regimnet. The Waffenfarbe was pink, however.
That said, it does not make any sense to me that a Panzergrenadier officer would wear a black wrap.
Although there was no Panzerschule in Munster (Minsterlager), that is all part of Camp Senne, not far from Paderborn, where there were a number of armored training establishments (Tiger, SS and run-of-the-mill tankers). I am not aware of the combination of S1 to denote a school, however.
I do not recall any armor-related training establishment at Münster, but I stand to be corrected and do not have access to Ritgen's book on armor school at hand right now.
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Guys,i might have made a mistake about Munster panzerschule but that s what "I" thought about the meaning of the S 1!!!
About the S1 to me,it looks they re there forever and the shoulder boards are stitched tight to the shoulder of the jacket.
I made a fwew more scans but it s getting dark here for now.Comment
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Daniele,
The most important thing is you have an original wrap...that in itself beats most of the posted wraps. The tabs look like good original rayon piped tabs, they have most likely been replaced as you said per your observation and the poor machine sewing of same(tension not adjusted properly). No matter, they are original and look good.
The boards, I would say original boards with letters and numbers added for appearance sake, as stated by Pz Bob and others, they don't make any sense. Obviously the wrap originally had bridles for slip on boards and it was converted to sew ins. That was quite common, but these are not correctly sewn in as stitches are showing. When sewn in properly all stitching is invisible and hidden by the shoulder seam. I would say collector done. They can be repaired, so no big deal in the long run.
The breast eagle looks original, but there are some funny colors going on. Possibly was a green backed eagle at one time and some one dyed it with black felt pen. That would account for the green and reddish tints to some of the fibers. Again, not a big deal and can be fixed if desired.
I don't think your belt hook holes have been closed as they look perfectly normal. I also didn't see any signs of tailoring that you mentioned. I do like the replaced adjusting strap done with NCO tresse, nice touch.
Overall you have a fine wrap that needs some tuning up in spots to be a nice restoration of an original combat wrapper. Respectfully,
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There are two Munsters, one is as you said near Paderborn (the location of Panzerlehrgänge Paderborn (Tigerlehrgänge) in NRW and the other is north of Celle and was the location of the (BW) Panzerschule after 1956. The WWII Panzer school was first in Wünsdorf and then in Bergen which is close to the second Munster and was a school after 1944. I visited all these locations frequently when I was stationed in Northern Germany. That said I think the board devices are added, as a school or a unit given the unifom they do not really make sense to me and I don't like the appearence.Originally posted by Panzer Bob View PostComment
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Richard,thanks,
Ok this is what i think having the jacket in my hand,
Boards are stitched tight with thick cotton thread and seems to match the wear of the felt of the wrapper around.
Cyphers IMO are definately been there on the boards forever as they match as well in wear the rest of the boards.
Buttons also that hold the boards are stitched with the same thick cotton thread that is on the rest of the buttons and it s a period placed thread,no restitched.
Maybe somebody would like to see the S and 1 like this
http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H013458.html
But we all know that we can find different type of positions on boards and as i said these matches wear of the rest of the boards.
Eagle looks to be black and the reddish colour you see seems like dirt or something like rust or something but certainly the eagle is black.
At the end i think that the jacket came with Shoulder boards originally but without tabs and eagle as it shows to have the same thin thread of the collar tabs.
I m very happy with it and i got it from a friend for a good price and to be honest even if it was all replaced the insignia iwouldnt care as Wrappers are getting scarcer to find.
Another thing,the EK 2 ribbon IMO is also original to the tunic as the wool underneath the ribbon is in better condition than the wool around the ribbon
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