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    #31
    Richard,

    Is this the same one that was sold back in 04? These new photos are much more telling.








    Glenn
    "A Man's Got to Know His Limitations"

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      #32
      Wauw,... it's a good thing we have this forum. If it was offered to me for a good price I would have taken the risk on this one, only to find out later that it is crap. Bless this forum.

      Jac

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        #33
        Glenn,

        Yes...it is that very same wrap. It traveled back to the dealer in a trade from the individual that purchased it in 04. It sold to a very advanced collector at the Pomona show without it ever making it to the catalog. Robert H. also had a good look at the wrap and felt it was original german HBT and original WWII construction.

        Jackal...you are safe as I think there is only one of these pieces of crap floating around since the 60's, and it is once again in a collection...poor dumb collector.

        Richard P

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          #34
          Hello

          If it is unissed why does it have Totenkopf tabs and matching boards???

          Brian

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            #35
            Brian,

            Having a tag does not mean it was never issued...just unworn.

            It was definitely intended for someone in self propelled artillery, possibly preceding the regulation to remove the TK's from stug wraps. I have an early 36 dated red piped black wrap that has never had the TK's removed.

            RP
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              #36
              Hello

              Hello again.
              Why does it have totenkopf tabs to begin with, you usually see the unissued/unworn HBT wrappers without tabs or the generic ones not Totenkopf, What about the matching HBT boards.

              Brian

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                #37
                Originally posted by Robert H View Post
                When it is a Caravano piece I would be interested someone brings in here the proof of clear facts.
                Hello
                Have you see his latest fakes ? go to his crap shop in ST Ouen ,you will get a first hand inspection to the best fakes on the market.
                This wrap is one of them , same color same material and same weave at the back.
                Regards
                P-Y

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                  #38
                  Hbt

                  Originally posted by Soldat de Fer View Post
                  Hello
                  Have you see his latest fakes ? go to his crap shop in ST Ouen ,you will get a first hand inspection to the best fakes on the market.
                  This wrap is one of them , same color same material and same weave at the back.
                  Regards
                  P-Y

                  Is this a proper weave for the back of HBT material?
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                    #39
                    hello,

                    interesting case and debate.

                    an ex with unworn hbt material :



                    derka

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                      #40
                      Derka,

                      Is that the backside of the HBT?

                      Richard

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                        #41
                        re,

                        Richard,
                        the external side of the hbt material is located on the left side of the pic,
                        the backside of the same material is shown on the right of the pic.

                        derka

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                          #42
                          same presentation for another ex of unworn hbt material :



                          and for a worn one :



                          there are minor variations for the basic color of the green and material itself.
                          but after close hand comparizon,
                          those materials have same global caracteristics,
                          including clear (i hope) difference between their 2 sides.
                          just my 2 cents to the debate.

                          derka

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                            #43
                            Derka,

                            Thanks for making it perfectly clear for me.

                            Soldat de Fer,

                            Is the photo Sayle F posted correct WWII German HBT? Please show us photos of these latest creations. The one under discussion has been known and around for 7 to 9 years. If you have these facts they must be backed up by photos for you to be so sure this is one of them, or did you see them in person? If you have photos please share them with the rest of us so we can be enlightened.

                            Richard P

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Richard P View Post
                              Derka,

                              Thanks for making it perfectly clear for me.

                              Soldat de Fer,

                              Is the photo Sayle F posted correct WWII German HBT? Please show us photos of these latest creations. The one under discussion has been known and around for 7 to 9 years. If you have these facts they must be backed up by photos for you to be so sure this is one of them, or did you see them in person? If you have photos please share them with the rest of us so we can be enlightened.

                              Richard P
                              Hello
                              The front weave is always different from the back weave on original . Do a search on HSC or caravano and you should find what you need .I got one of their piece (pants) which I got as fake (from someoone who got them as real !!!). The weave posted does look good ,if you have an original HBT tunic ,do compare .
                              Regards
                              P-Y

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                                #45
                                if these are fakes, they look fantastic....could someone supply the same quality fakes without the fuss over if they are original? and at less price than original? does this producer have a website?

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