help with my m36

[ralverzamelaar]

I bought this uniform 15 years ago, can you tell my something about this uniform, is it a model 36 ?, is it a privately purchased and tailer made ?

The tunic is in good condition with a few moth nips on the back.

Why is there only the flap on the bottum pocket, the inside first aid pocket is without a button and still sew shut and the right inside there is a open "pocket"" for a dagger ????
There are no holes in the front for belt supporthooks, 2 on the back and the inside is fully lined with grey cutton...
Not a textbook m36....
is " GEORG DIETRICH BUCKING" the name off the maker or the owner ?

The shoulderstraps are darkred " nebelwerfer "? with a ..looks like a B or 23

after 15 years i hope that you can give my a correct discription about my first
buy..

is it possible to give my the today marketprice off this tunic...

Thanks a lot and sorry a can,t make better pictures than this...

cheers, Andre

[hcliffe]

Appears to be a M36 style coastal artillery tunic. Full lining and no lower external pockets is typical for CA uniforms.

[jacquesf]

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[John Huff]

I agree with Mr. Cliffe in that the tunic started as a Kriegsmarine coastal artillery tunic. The stamp in the neck is a KM acceptance stamp and the "cut" of the tunic is the same. The name you inquired about is the manufacturer's name. However, the whole thing has been converted to what appears to be a Heer tunic. The eagle, boards, collar tabs, NCO tape, and the buttons have been replaced. Also the bottle green collar has been replaced. When this was done is up for speculation but if it was done during the war it would certainly be interesting. The value of the piece would suffer signifcantly if the changes were made post-war and even if done during the war, the value would be well below what a straight text-book Heer M36 is selling for these days IMO

[ralverzamelaar]

thank you for your comments gentlemans ....I appreciated it very much...anybody else thats give it a quick look and give me his/her opinions....


thanks in advance, andre

[ralverzamelaar]

nobody...???

[Waffenreich]

Not much left to say about this tunic except I think the configuration of your straps is incorrect. The gothic "B" is for Beobachter (Observer) and this would have been worn on Artillerie straps/boards vs. Nebelwerfer. I've never seen a "B" on a NW shoulder strap or board??? Always up for an education though.

I agree with the others, this tunic will suffer significantly due to the inability of anybody to date the period when the conversion was done. Probably not what you want to hear, but that's the sad reality in this case.

[km-spain]

Asyou have said, a M36-M40 KA tunic. The biggest modificatión for me to a heer tunic is the addition of the inside openning for the side arm, never used in the navy.

The navy depot stamp is dated in 1940, so this tunic has to be altered latter.

[km-spain]

Also the dark green collar is a big modificanion, as this was never done in the KM.

The lower inside pocket for the first aid package is still closed, so probably this tunic was never used by a navy man, and directly transformed to an army one.

[ralverzamelaar]

hoi KM, if i read your words oke, the change is done waretime...

I know it is difficult to check when the change is done, it don,t matter if it is a km or heer tunic the most inportant thing for me is the question is it original
waretime.

cheers, andre

[schutzpolizei]

Also the dark green collar is a big modificanion, as this was never done in the KM.

The lower inside pocket for the first aid package is still closed, so probably this tunic was never used by a navy man, and directly transformed to an army one.

Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. There are many examples of KM NCO tunics with green collars; look at Angolia Vol 3. Also every KM enlisted tunic I have owned had a first aid pocket. The dagger hanger is strange. Maybe it started as an Army tunic, converted to KM then back to Army (probably postwar). I have seen/owned examples of both.

[km-spain]

Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. There are many examples of KM NCO tunics with green collars; look at Angolia Vol 3. Also every KM enlisted tunic I have owned had a first aid pocket. The dagger hanger is strange. Maybe it started as an Army tunic, converted to KM then back to Army (probably postwar). I have seen/owned examples of both.

Is true that you can see some NCO tunics with green collar, but is very unusual, and is a tailor modification. I have seen hundreds of period pictures and I have seen only a few of this, and most of them were tailor made officer tunics. Even in the upgadred officer tunics usually the collar is field-grey.

I knowe that all enlisted tunics has the first aid pocket, but this is still close, and this is find in unused tunic. So perhaps the army transformation was done on an unused KM tunic. By this and by the lower inside pockets os not possible that this was in origin an army tunic. For me is clear a Km tunic transformed to an army tunic, when?, I don't know but IMO is a wartime modification.

[ralverzamelaar]

hoi KM/schutz very interesting conversation here a tunic with a lot off questions the big question is post or wartime a hope to find the answer in this conversation....if it is wartime, km-spain side of the conversation, what is the value off this tunic.. i bought this about 15 years ago for 300 euro...
just to know wat i have in my collection....


thanks for your reply,s KM and Schutz....

cheers , Andre

[schutzpolizei]

[QUOTE=km-spain;1790300]Is true that you can see some NCO tunics with green collar, but is very unusual, and is a tailor modification. I have seen hundreds of period pictures and I have seen only a few of this, and most of them were tailor made officer tunics. Even in the upgadred officer tunics usually the collar is field-grey./QUOTE]


This is in fact what I meant...I would never call the tunic and "M36 KM" for instance. Some KM NCOs simply did what the Army and the SS did and added green collars to standard tunics since it was considered trendy. Looking through some of my albums, I would say I have a fair number of pictures. Also most appear to be German made tunics (as this one is, rather than French) and most seem to be early, no later than 41 in general.

I still think its a nice tunic and should be KM again

[km-spain]

Absolutly agree with you schutzpolizei, but IMO a KM tunic with green collar is really rare. In about 14 years of collection I have no found any.

The modificatión of the collar could be done after or at the same time that the army modifications, but IMO this was made at same time.

Ralverzamelaar, the value of this tunic. As KM collector the value for me is very lower than a KM NCO tunic, but now is not a KM tunic, and you have not return to. As a Heer tunic, no idea, what is teh value of a wartime variation tunic?, I supouse that lower than a testbook one.