Panzer artillery black wrap straps

[Patrick W]

Hi Guys,

Please could I get your opinions on these rare (if genuine!) straps- red piped for the black panzer wrapper. They are private purchase type however the style of piping makes me leary!

many thanks for your opinions

Patrick

[pauke]

The piping certainly looks different from the "issue" style and the pair does not make me think they are original private purchase straps. Could you show a close-up image of the top back sides where it appears there is white thread in the piping?

[Patrick W]

thanks - here you go....

[OSS]

Like you, I don't care for the piping.

[90th Light]

Same type of piping on the straps/ boards shown in this thread; https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...ps#post7616803

Chris

[Patrick W]

Hi Chris, thank you, it is the exact same type of piping as on the SS infantry officer strap and tropical artillery strap in the link you posted. These straps would be early war I think being panzer with red piping on black. I think from the overall construction that they are tailor made pieces- do you have any opinion on them?

Many thanks also OSS

[B. N. Singer]

Hi Guys,

Please could I get your opinions...

Patrick

Would not be my cup of tea.

B. N. Singer

[90th Light]

Hi Chris, thank you, it is the exact same type of piping as on the SS infantry officer strap and tropical artillery strap in the link you posted. These straps would be early war I think being panzer with red piping on black. I think from the overall construction that they are tailor made pieces- do you have any opinion on them?

Many thanks also OSS

Hello Patrick, I do not know what to make of this type of piping. It seems to have a high cotton content and I am very suspicious of it being post war. I purchased the GD shoulder boards in the link I posted but sent them back to the seller because I could not relax with them. The piping was one of the features that was bugging me. Since then I had written that type of piping off as bad. However, the SS officer board in my link came from a very interesting source (north of Italy 1945 ?) and it made me re-look at this type of piping.

Interestingly, what appears to be this type of piping has also been used on the shoulder boards on the SS officer tunic shown in post number 106 and 107 of this thread; https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...s-market/page8 What is even more interesting is that John Pic asked the New Zealand member to add images of this tunic to the thread. John described it as a nice example of what I am assuming to be an SS officer tunic with its original insignia still on it;

Post yours Judas, it’s a nice example.

I am wondering if the SS officer tunic was picked up in the north of Italy in 1945 ? The reason I say the north of Italy is because off the SS officer collar tabs are made from a controversial type of bullion, discussed on another thread and often seen on WW2 Italian made SS collars; https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...-ss-collar-tab

This now has me wondering if the piping was used wartime, is it private purchase or Italian made piping ? However, I also suspect that post war fakers have also used it in the manufacture of their products,

Chris

[Patrick W]

Hi Chris,

Thanks and very interesting tunic on the linked- absolutely genuine

I can tell you with certainty that both collar tabs are actually Belgian made and not Italian. See here

http://www.ereitzuniformwerke.be/bel...-buckles/test/

Certainly tough to call on this piping, I guess I will have to describe them as possibly post war

[90th Light]

Hi Chris,

Thanks and very interesting tunic on the linked- absolutely genuine

I can tell you with certainty that both collar tabs are actually Belgian made and not Italian. See here

http://www.ereitzuniformwerke.be/bel...-buckles/test/

Certainly tough to call on this piping, I guess I will have to describe them as possibly post war

Thank you Patrick, for the link to the Belgium made SS collar tabs. Very interesting and it broadens my knowledge.

This is exactly the question about the piping on your shoulder straps, yes it is easy to dismiss them as bad because of the piping. However are all straps and boards made with that type of piping bad ? And where exactly does that type of piping originate from and when ? It may be nothing to do with Italian made, The north of Italy might simply just be one of the places where such SS officer boards with that type of piping were issued and worn during WW2. One sees the same thing with the very rare possibly Dutch made cuff-titles for the NSDAP construction units encountered in the north of Italy in 1945,

Chris