Stalingrad Kommandoflaggen/Stabsflaggen

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Found from Konigsberg ...

... as posted in 2012 in WAF t=613120
by Pitomnik.., the "Grossdeutschland
Feldgendarmerie Trupp pennant" in a ...
OFW
(below) ... photo from computer files.

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In a period photo ...

... a custom made field HQ position marker flag.
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(below) Interesting unit symbol flag example.

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A favorite period photo ...

... showing captured Soviet unit flags, and also a
SS LAH metal field HQ position marker pennant.
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(below) Soviet Best Artillery Unit Award Banner,
followed by two M-1940 regimental flags, and then
on the far right the SS LAH metal field HQ marker.

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WW1 reference ...

...
HQ field marker flags vary in construction from
cloth to ridged material. Evolution is from WW1
era lancer pole suspension to inexpensive pipe
use in WW2 era. ...
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Chart from a period WW1 book in my collection.
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(below) During Imperial era the commander
position marker flags (Army, Korps, Div, etc.)
were cloth as shown in regulation drawings.

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Where found ???

Posted in 2014 on the WAF, by who?
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(below) Photos from my computer files.

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In a period photo ...

... the famous DAK commander and showing
a square rigid HQ position marker Korps flag.
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(below) Interesting AFRIKA marked example.

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In a period photo ...

... road signs with unit emblems, numbers,
and some in field HQ position marker form.
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(below-left) Interesting Luft pennant example.

[rob NL]

Here is a photo showing
what I was talking about.
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(below) Dug pennant vs. period photo.

The white part in the original picture goes over the angle. The other one does not.
Clearly two different plates.

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Photo compare comments ...

(From OFW post #7) ...
Here is a photo showing
what I was talking about.
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(below) Dug pennant vs. period photo.

(Photo compare comments ...)
The white part in the original picture goes over the angle.
The other one does not. Clearly two different plates. (rob NL)

rob NL:
Interesting comments, thanks. I agree two different flags.
Recent dug is rectangular, period photo example is square.

[robs]

I currently have the aforementioned pennant in my collection. Maybe others can please post theirs if not already.

[N.C. Wyeth]

All the helmets I have seen dug in Stalingrad are totally gone and rusted up. No or very very little paint remaining, rusted and pitted all over. That apparently is due to the nature of the soil (more sandy)in the Stalingrad area. Dug items in the condition of the posted items are from the areas where the soil is more of a clay nature that protects the items against rust. They also have a lot of paint remaining. J

I currently have the aforementioned pennant in my collection. Maybe others can please post theirs if not already.

I wonder . . . so if your pennant came from a Stalingrad battlefield, why isn't it "totally gone and rusted up - with no or very very little paint remaining, rusted and pitted all over", as Jacques would make us believe it should be?

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Moving on ???

A WW2 German auto fender type
pennant stuck in the Russian mud.
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(below) As cited period aft pennant.

[robs]

I wonder . . . so if your pennant came from a Stalingrad battlefield, why isn't it "totally gone and rusted up - with no or very very little paint remaining, rusted and pitted all over", as Jacques would make us believe it should be?

But I imagine condition also dependent on how these items have been exposed before recovery. I can’t say if any of these pennants were buried and recovered from being literally dug up. I’ve been to numerous battlefield sites where things have been rusted away which haven’t been buried.

[Hummel]

I also have a few.

[Bill G.]

Flak Unit Pennant

Does anyone recall a metal vehicle pennant for I/Flak Regiment 30 that was advertised on the Flags table about 3 years ago. The seller said it was dug up in the Baltic states/Courland area.

Bill