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    #1

    Eagle over the "M" markings on Flags

    I think this topic of needs to be revisited. I truly feel we are missing something here. I have picked up many of Krieg's flags, State service flags over the years that have the Eagle M. These came from salty army U.S. veterans from towns deep inside of Germany with no Naval affiliations (one, in fact, that hung over a small town hall). I for one think that the Eagle over "M" stands for "Material" same basic spelling and meaning in German. I just find it hard to believe these are all navy flags.... Anyone else have other thoughts?
    Thanks
    Bruce
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    "M" flag marking ???

    Originally posted by bbeck View Post
    I think this topic of needs to be revisited. I truly feel we are missing
    something here. I have picked up many of Krieg's flags, State service
    flags over the years that have the Eagle M. These came from salty
    army U.S. veterans from towns deep inside of Germany with no Naval
    affiliations (one, in fact, that hung over a small town hall). I for one think
    that the Eagle over "M" stands for "Material" same basic spelling and
    meaning in German. I just find it hard to believe these are all navy flags....
    Anyone else have other thoughts?
    Thanks
    Bruce
    Hello Bruce:
    On the WAF you can see posted examples of the
    German Navy Imperial War Flag (IKF) with a crown
    over "M" marking. After WW1 the Weimar eagle over
    "M" markings was used, followed during the 3rd Reich
    by the swastika eagle over "M" version. IMO these "M"
    flag header markings certify that the flag was made to
    special naval sea service use requirements - i.e., having
    extra stitching to keep the flag together in higher wind.
    Made to KM spec did not preclude other Wehrmacht use.
    ***OFW***
    ........

    (below) Some 3rd Reich era flag header marking examples.
    sigpic
    .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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      #3
      WEll, I have seen identical kriegsbanners some with the e/m some without ?
      Was this stamp added by a naval depot ? Possibly ?

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        #4
        when "M" applied ???

        Originally posted by MAUSER99 View Post
        WEll, I have seen identical kriegsbanners some
        with the e/m some without ? Was this stamp added
        by a naval depot ? Possibly ?
        Hello MAUSER99:
        Interesting question. IMO the "M" stamp
        was done at the flag factory, as noted by
        the RKF photo example shown below. This
        is IMO why this "M" stamp is a certification
        rather than a Naval Depot inspection mark.
        OFW
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        Last edited by oldflagswanted; 01-30-2014, 12:23 PM.
        sigpic
        .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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          #5
          Originally posted by bbeck View Post
          I think this topic of needs to be revisited. I truly feel we are missing something here. I have picked up many of Krieg's flags, State service flags over the years that have the Eagle M. These came from salty army U.S. veterans from towns deep inside of Germany with no Naval affiliations (one, in fact, that hung over a small town hall). I for one think that the Eagle over "M" stands for "Material" same basic spelling and meaning in German. I just find it hard to believe these are all navy flags.... Anyone else have other thoughts?
          Thanks
          Bruce
          Bruce

          Funny. I have a lead on a Fuhrer Standard with the exact quandary. This one more than likely came from Bavaria, yet it displays KM markings.

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            #6
            quandary resolved ???

            Originally posted by CPB View Post
            ...on a Fuhrer Standard with the exact quandary.
            This one more than likely came from Bavaria, yet
            it displays KM markings.
            Hello CPB:
            As already stated, IMO the "M" stamp was an OK
            for sea use certification, rather than an applied
            Naval Depot inspection mark.             Made to KM spec did
            not preclude other Wehrmacht unit or location use.
            *OFW*
            sigpic
            .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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              #7
              @OFW - have you ever compared and noticed a difference in manufacture/stitching between 'M' stamped and non-M stamped examples?

              Your logic sounds totally reasonable to me.

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                #8
                flag observations ...

                Originally posted by CPB View Post
                OFW - have you ever compared and noticed a difference in
                manufacture/stitching between 'M' stamped and non-M
                stamped examples? ...
                CPB:
                Yes, I've observed WW2 German flag examples as follows...
                1. No "M" stamp, and no KM spec construction, -a, -b,-c, etc.
                2. No "M" stamp, but with some KM spec construction, -b,-c.
                3. No "M" stamp, but with KM spec construction (*) why?
                4. Had "M" stamp, and no KM spec construction, -a,-b,-c, etc.
                5. Had "M" stamp, and only some KM spec construction, -c.
                6. Had "M" stamp, and with KM spec construction (*) normal
                Note: (*)= a) Corner supports, b) edge stitching, c) thick rope.
                *OFW*
                sigpic
                .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                  #9
                  Amazing, thank you.

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