100K Euro Eagle

[spinnin4s]

Hello OFW,
Thanks for the information. Yes the left facing head and lighting bolts suggest the piece is from the Napoleon III period. The photos of the pole tops you posted of that period show the eagles other claw clutching an orb-do you know the significance of the orb? Also wondering why the letter 'N' on the box rather than 'L.N.' or 'L III'. Thanks again.

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questions & answers ???

...pole tops you posted ...show the eagles other
claw clutching an orb-do you know the significance
of the orb? Also wondering why the letter 'N' on the
box rather than 'L.N.' or 'L III'. Thanks again.

Fred:
IMO the orb was a carry over from the previous
Louis-Philippe King of the French era, which had
used versions of the Gallic Rooster until 1848. As
for the solo "N" use during the 2nd Empire, that
was likewise an allusion to earlier times of glory.
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(below) As cited Louis-Philippe era Roosters, Paris Museum.
Note: Orb/ball/globe device below various Rooster types.
(below-2) My French Rooster flag pole top examples.

[spinnin4s]

Great information and photos-thanks so much for sharing!

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Great information and photos-thanks so much for sharing!

I Love those cased colours on a rifle stack.
IMO vintage flag cover/bags are hard to find.
More on flag bags in WAF t=687373 post #6.
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(below) The French Army in the field, "Le Rêve", or
"The Dream of the Soldier" 1888, by Edourd Detaille.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard_Detaille

[Adam.B]

I love the eagle in this one

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Napoleonic Eagle art ???

I love the eagle in this one

Hello Adam:
Indeed a nice modern artist work showing a Napoleonic
Model 1804 Eagle and diamond cloth standard in combat.
I also like Mark Churms 55 BC Roman "Eagle Attacks".
http://www.ozarkairfieldartworks.com/eagleattacks.html
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(below) This thread post #20 Artist Mark Churms:
"HONOR & GLORY - The Battle of Eylau 1807
Surrounded by the Russain Army and cut off
from their comrades, a handful of the Emperor
Napoleon's French Grenadiers choose to attack,
against all odds, rather than face the dishonor of
surrender!"

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French spin off ???

An interesting, at least to me, French Napoleonic era
eagle design spin off was used by the Empire of Haiti.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Empire_of_Haiti
OFW
(below) The cited spin off eagle...
Empire of Haiti of Jacques I of Haiti (1804-1806), or
more likely Emp. Haiti of Faustin I of Haiti (1849-1859)

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first destruction of the eagles ???

Of Napoleon's 616,000 Grande Armée in Russia, only 110,000
frostbitten and half starved survivors stumbled back to France.
The Russian campaign proved that he was not invincible, and
among his major errors, was also his refusal to quit Spain while
trying to campaign in Russia. A defeat somewhat mirrored by
Hitler's failed invasion on Russia during World War II in 1941.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia
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Noted from post #1: "After the first abdication of Napoleon I,
4 April 1814, almost all of the Eagles had been melted by order
of then King Louis XVIII." But this was not the 1st order ...
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(below) Surrounded by the Russian Army the French
Emperor orders the destruction of his eagle standards.

[Robert H]

Musée de l'Emperi France

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Very nice !!!

Musée de l'Emperi France

RH:
Very nice, thanks for the look. Interesting to note that ..."The
Musée de l'Empéri was started by two passionate collectors."
Great to see the Eagle tri-color rifle stack display in post #24 photo.
OFW
(below) As noted online at...
http://www.napoleon.org/en/magazine/...see_Emperi.asp
"The Musée de l'Empéri was started by two passionate collectors, Raoul and
Jean Brunon, and contains a total of almost 10,000 objects, documents and
books. The history of the French army from 1700 to 1918 is recounted thanks
to large-scale historical reconstructions involving 130 life-size infantrymen and
cavalrymen. Originally located in the Brunons' family home in Marseilles, the
collection was bought by the Army museum in 1967. It was then transferred
to the Salon de Provence in a medieval fortress, the Château de l'Empéril.

After having visited the two rooms which trace the history of French firearms,
visitors enter a series of rooms on the first floor devoted to the history of the
republican armies where special attention is paid to the Egyptian expedition
and the campaign in Italy.

Five rooms are devoted to the history of the imperial epic. In the banqueting
hall a number of objects and documents describe the various formations of
the Napoleonic army and acts as an introduction to the following rooms which
are devoted to the campaigns from 1803 to 1809: the Austrian campaigns of
1805 and 1809, the Prussian campaigns of 1806, and Polish campaign of 1807.
A small vaulted room contains some of the most prestigious souvenirs: the
Emperor's hat and rosette, the gloves he wore in Egypt, the flag belonging to
the first regiment of the Grenadiers of the Imperial Guard who were present
at the Moskowa and entered Moscow, the flag Napoleon presented to the army,
books from his personal library, signed letters, the souvenirs of Prince Eugene,
Mamelouk Roustan, Secretary Méneval, Marshal Davout, Marshal Bessières,
Marshall Macdonald and Marshall Poniatowski, etc. There is also a showcase
devoted entirely to the Legion d'Honneur.

The campaigns that took place between 1812 and 1814 follow. The rooms are
deliberately dark to suggest the Empire's downfall and the most sombre
moments of its history. The campaigns of Spain (1808-1814), Russia (1812),
Saxony (1813), France (1814), the legendary return from Elba, and Waterloo
are all evoked with the use of many objects and relics: helmets, uniforms,
official letters signed by the Emperor, bulletins of the Great Army, bills,
lithographs, maps etc. A small room in the château's main tower displays
souvenirs dating back to the Emperor's exile on Saint-Helena Island among
which is the gilt bed used by Napoleon in 1819.

Five rooms accommodate the Second Empire collections. A general presentation
of the army can be viewed in the Ferrier gallery while souvenirs of Napoleon III,
Empress Eugenia and of the Imperial Prince are located in "Monseigneur's
Chamber". Visitors will notice the Emperor's hat alongside the complete
Grenadier of the Imperial Guard's uniform that belonged to the Imperial Prince
around 1864. The last rooms evoke the campaigns in Crimea (1854-1855),
Italy (1859), Mexico (1862-1867) and the Franco-German war of 1870-1871."

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..."The Musée de l'Empéri was started
by two passionate collectors." ...
Jean and Raoul Bruno...
OFW
(below) As noted online at...
http://napoleon1er.perso.neuf.fr/Livres-200
"The Army of Napoleon. The Bruno Collection. Vincent Bourgeot .
Book subscription. Presentation Editor .
Raoul and Jean Bruno Museum collection Empéri (Salon -de- Provence,
BDR ) is exceptional. The Napoleonic collection is a major part of any known
good amateur and connoisseur of Napoleonic military history, the Consulate
to Empire. We are pleased and proud to offer you , at the initiative of Jean -
Noel Bret, president of " The Friends of the Museum Empéri " on the
occasion of the 70th anniversary of the founding of the association, a famous
book on the collection and its history . Inevitable , it had to be done in the most
beautiful manner . We leave it to you to judge through the summary below.
Foreword by Anne - Reibell Saint Firmin born Bruno .
- Liminal Brigadier General Robert Bresse , Director, National Hotel des Invalides.
- Introduction - dejean Christmas Bret, president of Friends Museum of Empéri .
- History Museum Empéri and collections by Jean- Louis Riccioli , curator Empéri .
- The Napoleonic collection by Vincent Bourgeot . author of this book .

This first book in the series " The Passions" will include 208 pages in large
format. Any color , it will be done under the direction of Vincent Bourgeot
connoisseur of this collection. It will be widely shown, either from photographs
taken by Jean Bruno himself , or by photos taken on this occasion, and in
collaboration with Jean- Louis Riccioli , curator of Empéri . This superb book with
dust jacket published on 15 December 2006. This book is designed so that it will
provide a reference for future generations .
The subscription price of 75 € will be valid until 15 September 2006, postage and
packing included (for France and the European Union). This unique book will be in
two languages, French and English.
The subscription will expire on 15 September 2006.
Napoleon Publishing."
http://www.editions-napoleon.com
contact@editions-napoleon.com

[Adam.B]

The flag looks good for the age. I would love one of them, I have been thinking of buying a repo flag with eagle as I will NEVER EVER have a real one.

[oldflagswanted]

about replicas ...

...I have been thinking of buying a repo flag
with eagle as I will NEVER EVER have a real one.

Hello AB:
There are various quality replicas, some so
good looking that they even fool art thieves.
OFW
(below) A museum quality replica example.

[juoneen]

Some more info...

I wondered why the eagle sets on a cigar...then realized I didn't know what I was looking at....it is really a thunderbolt...



same eagle captured by the british at waterloo...

Check out this guys bad day...198 years ago...owwvutch...I would assume his arm was blown off from the inside out.

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Napoleonic Eagle Thunderbolt origin ???

I wondered why the eagle sets on a cigar...
then realized I didn't know what I was looking
at... it is really a thunderbolt...

Hello juoneen:
Indeed, no cigar. The Napoleonic Eagle's Thunderbolt
below use comes from the Ancient Roman design. The
Roman God Jupiter, threw a thunderbolt while also holding
an eagle, this being the original design source of same.
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