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    #31
    more thunderbolts ...

    Thunderbolt use example from the Ancient Roman times.
    Sadly no Roman Legion Eagles are known, by me, to have
    survived intact into modern times, save for those carved in
    stone. Another favorite version is on old German Army flags.
    OLDFLAGSWANTED
    sigpic
    .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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      #32
      more about replicas...

      In 1996, in San Francisco, the massive private collection of
      Charles Bremner Hogg Jackson was auctioned off. It had been
      a bequest to The Smithsonian Institution's National Museum of
      American History. But this European object collection did not
      meet the American museums collection appropriate criteria.
      So it was sold at public auction. Jackson had stored it in his barn.

      The collection was unknown to his neighbors or collectors, other
      than he occasionally fired off his cannon outside the barn. In the
      end his collection became the proverbial "out of the blue" gift to
      the Smithsonian.
      See t=692584 about giving to museums.
      OLDFLAGSWANTED
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      (below) Jackson collection M-1815 eagle museum quality replica.
      List item #3605, which sold for $1,380 USD including buyer's fee.
      Attached Files
      Last edited by oldflagswanted; 09-18-2013, 02:54 PM.
      sigpic
      .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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        #33
        Sour grapes ...

        Also in the 1996 San Francisco auction of the Jackson collection
        was a Louis Napoleon Eagle, listed as item #3607. This eagle was
        catalog estimated to bring $500/$1000, but went unsold. I called
        the auction house, and they accepted my post auction $650 offer,
        which was also fax confirmed. But when I showed up the next day
        to pay for and pick up the eagle I was told "it has already been sold
        to someone else". Needless to say, I never did business again
        with that firm. Sour grapes I know, but IMO a deal should be a deal.
        OLDFLAGSWANTED
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        (below) 1996 Jackson collection auction sale lost LN Eagle, #3607.
        (below-2) Subsequent French eagles acquired after the 1996 FUBAR.
        Photo #'s: 37, 43, 44, 46, 47, 48, 49, 83, & the #51 pre-1848 rooster.
        Attached Files
        sigpic
        .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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          #34
          one of my favorites ...

          A favorite post 1996 acquired Napoleonic Eagle,
          as shown in post #33, labeled as pole top #47.
          OFW
          (below) As cited Napoleon the 3rd (1848-1871) eagle.
          "N III" box version, right facing eagle, with head crown.
          Small nail hole under crown, where in France seller said he
          found the eagle nailed on a wall inside a barn - no kidding.
          Attached Files
          Last edited by oldflagswanted; 09-22-2013, 12:38 PM.
          sigpic
          .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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            #35
            great thread OFW, beautiful eagles
            really appreciate the time you take to educate and intrigue us
            regards
            jon

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              #36
              Originally posted by tinmantis View Post
              great thread OFW, beautiful eagles
              really appreciate the time you take to educate and intrigue us
              regards
              jon


              +1

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                #37
                Thanks !!!

                Originally posted by tinmantis View Post
                great thread OFW, beautiful eagles
                really appreciate the time you take to educate and intrigue us
                regards
                jon
                and ...
                Originally posted by Adam.B View Post
                +1
                Thanks guys. It is nice to be appreciated.
                OFW
                Attached Files
                sigpic
                .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                  #38
                  From my collection ...

                  Another favorite post 1996 acquired Napoleonic Eagle.
                  Just like my "N III" (#47) version, but this one being
                  an earlier "L N" (Louis Napoleon) lettered box below.
                  Also shown in eagle group post #33 with the label #44.
                  OFW
                  (below) My #44 Napoleon the 3rd (1848-1871) eagle.
                  "L N" box version, right facing eagle, without head crown.
                  Attached Files
                  sigpic
                  .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                    #39
                    Tassels.

                    Hi Ben!
                    I have these Tassels.......Are French Empire related?
                    My Best Mate!
                    Gian.

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                      #40
                      about tassels ???

                      Originally posted by jules61 View Post
                      Hi Ben!
                      I have these Tassels.......Are French Empire related?
                      My Best Mate!
                      Gian.
                      Hello Gian:
                      IMO, your post #39 tassels are Italian, as shown
                      in the Brisone flag book (ISBN 88-7133-245-8)
                      on page 46 (banner #64), page 61 (banner #85),
                      page 73 (banner #97), page 110 (banner #178),
                      page 152 (banner #287), and more. French flags
                      likewise used crevats, rather than cord/tassels.

                      OLDFLAGSWANTED
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                      (below) Napoleonic flag with crevat - bow streamer.
                      (below-2) Same French Regiment 14 flag front view.

                      Attached Files
                      sigpic
                      .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                        #41
                        auction loss motivates new acquistions ...

                        After my 1996 auction lost eagle (post #33 ), I was further
                        motivated onto new acquistions, such as OFW #43 & #48
                        (post 33b), & as previously shown in this thread in post #15,
                        now identified as "L.N" (#43) and "N.III" (#48) versions.

                        These IMO are superb examples of repoussé art work.
                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repouss%C3%A9_and_chasing
                        OFW
                        (below) Cited OFW #43 & #48 Napoleon the 3rd (1848-1871) eagles.
                        "L.N" & "N.III" box versions, left facing eagles, w/o & with crown.
                        Attached Files
                        Last edited by oldflagswanted; 09-27-2013, 07:01 AM.
                        sigpic
                        .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                          #42
                          OFW collection #46 & #48 Eagles...

                          After my 1996 auction lost eagle (post #33 ), I was further
                          motivated onto new acquisitions, such as OFW #46 & #48
                          (post 33b), & as previously shown in this thread in post #15,
                          now identified as "L N" (#46) and "N.III" (#48) versions.

                          These IMO are more superb examples of repoussé art work.
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repouss%C3%A9_and_chasing
                          OFW
                          (below) Cited OFW #46 & #48 Napoleon the 3rd (1848-1871) eagles.
                          "L N" & "N.III" box versions, same eagle design types, both with crowns.
                          sigpic
                          .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                            #43
                            OFW they are some nice eagles, Do these come up for sale Often

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                              #44
                              Thanks, and some questions ???

                              Originally posted by Adam.B View Post
                              OFW
                              they are some nice eagles, Do
                              these come up for sale Often
                              Hello Adam:
                              In 40+ years I've only seen three original
                              Napoleonic 1st Empire Eagles for sale. On
                              the 2nd Empire Eagles, from time to time
                              some come on the collecting market, as
                              there were many more versions beyond
                              the 1st Empire types shown, i.e., post #1.

                              OLDFLAGSWANTED
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                              (below) Some of the 2nd Empire Eagle versions,
                              with some basic unresolved questions as noted.
                              Attached Files
                              Last edited by oldflagswanted; 10-04-2013, 07:28 AM.
                              sigpic
                              .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                                #45
                                other examples seen available ...

                                Originally posted by oldflagswanted View Post
                                ... 2nd Empire Eagles, from time to time
                                some come on the collecting market...
                                Like my collection #48, another "N.III"example...
                                OLDFLAGSWANTED
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                                (below) From some years ago, in an auction catalog #940.
                                Attached Files
                                sigpic
                                .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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