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    Fk 28 addition.

    Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant).
    ..... OFW .....
    ..........
    (My 1st WAF Avatar)
    ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
    -------------------( 08-05-15 update, real count=62+ )------------------
    1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
    2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
    2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
    2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
    3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
    3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
    3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
    3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
    real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
    S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
    3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
    white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
    *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
    4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
    5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
    6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
    7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
    8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
    8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
    9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
    10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
    11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
    12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
    .....might be #10 or #11?
    13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
    14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
    15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
    16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
    ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
    17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
    18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
    19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
    20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
    21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
    22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
    23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
    24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
    25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
    26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
    27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
    27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
    27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
    28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
    29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
    29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
    30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
    30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
    31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
    32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
    33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
    34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
    35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
    36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
    36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
    37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
    .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
    38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
    .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
    39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
    ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
    40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
    41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
    ..... A.-G. K
    önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
    42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
    43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
    ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
    44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
    .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
    44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
    45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
    46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
    ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
    47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
    48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
    48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
    49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
    50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
    51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
    52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
    53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
    54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
    55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
    56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
    57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
    58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
    59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
    .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
    60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
    .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
    61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
    62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
    -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
    A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
    B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
    C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
    ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag).
    D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
    ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag).
    E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
    ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
    Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
    Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
    ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
    Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
    ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
    Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
    Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
    Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
    ....... pennants)
    Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
    Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
    Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
    Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
    Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
    Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
    Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

    Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
    Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
    Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
    ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
    ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
    Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
    ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
    Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
    ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
    ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
    References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
    German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
    NSKOV veteran tops...
    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
    DAF & NSBO tops ...
    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
    SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


    --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
    Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
    Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
    Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
    Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
    --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
    Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
    Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
    Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
    Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
    Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
    Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
    and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
    Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
    Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
    Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
    Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
    Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
    Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
    Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
    Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
    Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
    Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
    Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
    Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
    ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
    Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
    Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
    Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
    Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
    Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
    Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
    Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
    Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
    Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
    Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
    Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
    Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
    Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
    Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
    Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
    Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
    ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
    Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
    Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
    Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
    Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
    Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
    Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
    ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
    Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
    ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
    ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
    Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
    ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

    ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
    ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
    Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
    ....see t=815734.
    -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
    See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
    and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
    --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
    SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
    S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
    S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
    S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
    S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
    S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
    S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
    S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
    S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
    S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
    S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
    S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
    S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
    S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
    S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
    S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
    S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
    S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
    S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
    S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
    S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
    S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
    S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
    S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
    S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
    (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
    Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
    Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
    -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
    DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
    DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
    DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
    DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
    SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
    ******************************************
    .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
    (below) Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant), see t=81573
    (below-2/3) Fake marker markings.



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    Comment


      Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern

      Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, Reichskriegsfahne marked.
      ..... OFW .....

      ..........
      (My 1st WAF Avatar)
      ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
      -------------------( 11-12-15 update, real count=62+ )------------------
      1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
      2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
      2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
      2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
      3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
      3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
      3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
      3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
      real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
      S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
      3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
      white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
      *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
      4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
      5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
      6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
      7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
      8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
      8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
      9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
      10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
      11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
      12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
      .....might be #10 or #11?
      13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
      14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
      15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
      16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
      ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
      17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
      18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
      19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
      20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
      21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
      22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
      23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
      24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
      25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
      26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
      27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
      27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
      27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
      28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
      29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
      29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
      30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
      30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
      31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
      32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
      33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
      34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
      35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
      36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
      36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
      37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
      .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
      38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
      .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
      39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
      ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
      40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
      41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
      ..... A.-G. K
      önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
      42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
      43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
      ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
      44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
      .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
      44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
      45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
      46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
      ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
      47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
      48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
      48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
      49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
      50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
      51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
      52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
      53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
      54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
      55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
      56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
      57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
      58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
      59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
      .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
      60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
      .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
      61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
      62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
      -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
      A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
      B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
      C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
      ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag).
      D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
      ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag).
      E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
      ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
      Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
      Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
      ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
      Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
      ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
      Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
      Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
      Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
      ....... pennants)
      Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
      Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
      Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
      Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
      Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
      Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
      Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

      Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
      Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
      Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
      ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
      ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
      Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
      ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
      Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
      ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
      ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
      References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
      German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
      NSKOV veteran tops...
      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
      DAF & NSBO tops ...
      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
      SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


      --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
      Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
      Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
      Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
      Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
      --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
      Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
      Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
      Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
      Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
      Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
      Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
      Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
      and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
      Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
      Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
      Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
      Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
      Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
      Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
      Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
      Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
      Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
      Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
      Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
      Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
      ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
      Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
      Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
      Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
      Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
      Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
      Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
      Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
      Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
      Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
      Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
      Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
      Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
      Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
      Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
      Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
      Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
      ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
      Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
      Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
      Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
      Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
      Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
      Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
      ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
      Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
      ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
      ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
      Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
      ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

      ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
      ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
      Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
      ....see t=815734.
      -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
      See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
      and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
      --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
      SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
      S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
      S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
      S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
      S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
      S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
      S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
      S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
      S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
      S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
      S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
      S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
      S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
      S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
      S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
      S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
      S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
      S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
      S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
      S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
      S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
      S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
      S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
      S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
      S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
      (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
      Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
      Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
      -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
      DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
      DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
      DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
      DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
      SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
      ******************************************
      .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
      (below) Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, t=831734.
      (below-2) Fake "Reichskriegsfahne" marking.
      Attached Files
      sigpic
      .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

      Comment


        Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard fake.

        Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, from t=833290
        ..... OFW .....

        ..........
        (My 1st WAF Avatar)
        ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
        -------------------( 11-23-15 update, real count=62+ )------------------
        1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
        2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
        2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
        2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
        3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
        3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
        3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
        3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
        real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
        S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
        3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
        white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
        *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
        4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
        5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
        6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
        7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
        8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
        8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
        9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
        10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
        11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
        12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
        .....might be #10 or #11?
        13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
        14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
        15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
        16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
        ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
        17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
        18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
        19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
        20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
        21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
        22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
        23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
        24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
        25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
        26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
        27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
        27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
        27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
        28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
        29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
        29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
        30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
        30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
        31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
        32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
        33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
        34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
        35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
        36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
        36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
        37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
        .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
        38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
        .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
        39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
        ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
        40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
        41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
        ..... A.-G. K
        önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
        42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
        43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
        ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
        44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
        .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
        44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
        45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
        46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
        ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
        47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
        48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
        48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
        49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
        50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
        51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
        52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
        53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
        54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
        55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
        56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
        57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
        58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
        59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
        .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
        60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
        .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
        61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
        62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
        -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
        A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
        B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
        C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
        ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag).
        D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
        ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag).
        E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
        ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
        Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
        Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
        ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
        Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
        ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
        Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
        Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
        Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
        ....... pennants)
        Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
        Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
        Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
        Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
        Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
        Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
        Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

        Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
        Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
        Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
        ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
        ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
        Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
        ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
        Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
        ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
        ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
        References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
        German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
        NSKOV veteran tops...
        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
        DAF & NSBO tops ...
        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
        SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
        http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


        --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
        Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
        Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
        Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
        Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
        --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
        Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
        Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
        Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
        Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
        Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
        Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
        Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
        and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
        Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
        Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
        Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
        Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
        Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
        Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
        Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
        Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
        Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
        Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)

        Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
        Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
        Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
        ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
        Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
        Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
        Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
        Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
        Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
        Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
        Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
        Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
        Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
        Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
        Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
        Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
        Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
        Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
        Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
        Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
        ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
        Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
        Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
        Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
        Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
        Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
        Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
        ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
        Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
        ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
        ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
        Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
        ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

        ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
        ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
        Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
        ....see t=815734.
        -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
        See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
        and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
        --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
        SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
        S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
        S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
        S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
        S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
        S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
        S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
        S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
        S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
        S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
        S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
        S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
        S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
        S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
        S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
        S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
        S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
        S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
        S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
        S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
        S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
        S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
        S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
        S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
        S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
        (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
        Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
        Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
        -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
        DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
        DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
        DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
        DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
        SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
        ******************************************
        .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
        (below) Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, from t=833290

        sigpic
        .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

        Comment


          maker #63

          63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674,
          ..... OFW .....

          ..........
          (My 1st WAF Avatar)
          ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
          -------------------( 12-24-15 update, real count=63+ )------------------
          1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
          2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
          2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
          2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
          3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
          3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
          3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
          3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
          real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
          S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
          3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
          white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
          *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
          4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
          5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
          6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
          7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
          8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
          8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
          9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
          10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
          11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
          12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
          .....might be #10 or #11?
          13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
          14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
          15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
          16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
          ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
          17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
          18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
          19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
          20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
          21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
          22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
          23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
          24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
          25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
          26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
          27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
          27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
          27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
          28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
          29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
          29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
          30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
          30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
          31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
          32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
          33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
          34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
          35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
          36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
          36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
          37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
          .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
          38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
          .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
          39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
          ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
          40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
          41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
          ..... A.-G. K
          önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
          42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
          43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
          ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
          44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
          .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
          44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
          45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
          46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
          ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
          47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
          48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
          48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
          49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
          50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
          51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
          52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
          53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
          54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
          55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
          56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
          57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
          58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
          59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
          .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
          60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
          .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
          61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
          62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
          63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
          -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
          A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
          B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
          C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
          ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag).
          D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
          ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63(tag).
          E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
          ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
          Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
          Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
          ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
          Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
          ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
          Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
          Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
          Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
          ....... pennants)
          Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
          Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
          Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
          Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
          Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
          Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
          Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

          Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
          Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
          Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
          ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
          ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
          Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
          ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
          Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
          ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
          ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
          References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
          German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
          NSKOV veteran tops...
          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
          DAF & NSBO tops ...
          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
          SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


          --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
          Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
          Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
          Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
          Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
          --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
          Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
          Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
          Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
          Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
          Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
          Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
          Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
          and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
          Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
          Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
          Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
          Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
          Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
          Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
          Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
          Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
          Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
          Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)

          Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
          Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
          Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
          ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
          Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
          Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
          Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
          Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
          Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
          Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
          Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
          Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
          Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
          Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
          Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
          Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
          Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
          Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
          Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
          Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
          ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
          Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
          Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
          Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
          Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
          Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
          Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
          ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
          Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
          ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
          ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
          Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
          ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

          ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
          ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
          Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
          ....see t=815734.
          -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
          See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
          and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
          --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
          SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
          S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
          S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
          S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
          S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
          S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
          S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
          S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
          S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
          S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
          S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
          S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
          S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
          S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
          S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
          S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
          S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
          S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
          S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
          S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
          S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
          S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
          S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
          S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
          S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
          (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
          Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
          Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
          -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
          DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
          DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
          DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
          DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
          SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
          ******************************************
          .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
          (below) 63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
          Attached Files
          sigpic
          .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

          Comment


            maker #64

            64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188,
            ..... OFW .....

            ..........
            (My 1st WAF Avatar)
            ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
            -------------------( 01-02-16 update, real count=64+ )------------------
            1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
            2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
            2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
            2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
            3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
            3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
            3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
            3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
            real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
            S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
            3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
            white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
            *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
            4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
            5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
            6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
            7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
            8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
            8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
            9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
            10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
            11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
            12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
            .....might be #10 or #11?
            13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
            14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
            15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
            16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
            ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
            17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
            18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
            19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
            20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
            21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
            22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
            23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
            24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
            25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
            26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
            27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
            27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
            27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
            28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
            29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
            29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
            30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
            30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
            31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
            32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
            33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
            34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
            35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
            36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
            36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
            37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
            .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
            38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
            .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
            39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
            ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
            40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
            41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
            ..... A.-G. K
            önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
            42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
            43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
            ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
            44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
            .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
            44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
            45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
            46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
            ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
            47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
            48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
            48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
            49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
            50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
            51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
            52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
            53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
            54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
            55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
            56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
            57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
            58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
            59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
            .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
            60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
            .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
            61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
            62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
            63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
            64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
            -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------

            A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
            B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
            C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
            ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag), 64(tag).
            D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
            ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63(tag).
            E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
            ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
            Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
            Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
            ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
            Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
            ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
            Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
            Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
            Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
            ....... pennants)
            Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
            Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
            Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
            Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
            Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
            Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
            Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

            Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
            Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
            Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
            ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
            ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
            Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
            ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
            Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
            ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
            ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
            References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
            German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
            http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
            NSKOV veteran tops...
            http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
            DAF & NSBO tops ...
            http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
            SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
            http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


            --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
            Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
            Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
            Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
            Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
            --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
            Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
            Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
            Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
            Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
            Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
            Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
            Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
            and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
            Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
            Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
            Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
            Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
            Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
            Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
            Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
            Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
            Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
            Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)

            Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
            Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
            Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
            ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
            Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
            Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
            Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
            Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
            Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
            Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
            Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
            Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
            Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
            Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
            Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
            Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
            Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
            Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
            Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
            Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
            ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
            Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
            Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
            Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
            Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
            Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
            Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
            ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
            Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
            ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
            ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
            Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
            ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

            ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
            ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
            Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
            ....see t=815734.
            -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
            See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
            and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
            --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
            SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
            S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
            S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
            S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
            S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
            S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
            S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
            S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
            S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
            S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
            S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
            S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
            S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
            S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
            S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
            S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
            S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
            S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
            S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
            S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
            S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
            S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
            S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
            S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
            S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
            (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
            Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
            Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
            -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
            DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
            DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
            DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
            DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
            SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
            ******************************************
            .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
            (below) 64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
            Attached Files
            sigpic
            .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

            Comment


              maker #2 example

              2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, header stamp.
              ..... OFW .....
              ..........
              (My 1st WAF Avatar)
              ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
              -------------------( 01-07-16 update, real count=64+ )------------------
              1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
              2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
              2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
              2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
              3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
              3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
              3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
              3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
              real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
              S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
              3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
              white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
              *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
              4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
              5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
              6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
              7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
              8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
              8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
              9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
              10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
              11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
              12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
              .....might be #10 or #11?
              13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
              14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
              15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
              16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
              ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
              17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
              18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
              19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
              20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
              21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
              22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
              23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
              24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
              25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
              26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
              27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
              27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
              27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
              28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
              29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
              29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
              30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
              30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
              31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
              32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
              33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
              34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
              35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
              36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
              36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
              37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
              .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
              38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
              .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
              39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
              ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
              40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
              41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
              ..... A.-G. K
              önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
              42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
              43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
              ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
              44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
              .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
              44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
              45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
              46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
              ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
              47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
              48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
              48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
              49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
              50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
              51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
              52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
              53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
              54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
              55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
              56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
              57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
              58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
              59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
              .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
              60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
              .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
              61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
              62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
              63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
              64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
              -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------

              A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
              B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
              C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
              ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag), 64(tag).
              D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
              ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63(tag).
              E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
              ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
              Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
              Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
              ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
              Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
              ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
              Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
              Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
              Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
              ....... pennants)
              Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
              Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
              Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
              Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
              Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
              Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
              Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

              Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
              Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
              Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
              ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
              ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
              Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
              ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
              Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
              ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
              ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
              References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
              German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
              NSKOV veteran tops...
              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
              DAF & NSBO tops ...
              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
              SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


              --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
              Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
              Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
              Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
              Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
              --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
              Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
              Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
              Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
              Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
              Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
              Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
              Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
              and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
              Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
              Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
              Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
              Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
              Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
              Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
              Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
              Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
              Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
              Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)

              Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
              Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
              Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
              ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
              Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
              Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
              Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
              Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
              Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
              Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
              Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
              Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
              Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
              Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
              Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
              Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
              Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
              Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
              Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
              Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
              ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
              Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
              Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
              Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
              Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
              Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
              Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
              ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
              Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
              ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
              ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
              Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
              ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

              ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
              ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
              Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
              ....see t=815734.
              -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
              See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
              and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
              --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
              SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
              S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
              S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
              S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
              S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
              S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
              S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
              S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
              S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
              S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
              S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
              S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
              S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
              S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
              S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
              S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
              S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
              S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
              S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
              S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
              S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
              S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
              S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
              S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
              S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
              (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
              Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
              Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
              -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
              DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
              DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
              DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
              DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
              SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
              ******************************************
              .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
              (below) 2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, header stamp.
              Attached Files
              sigpic
              .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

              Comment


                Fk29 update, fake IKF.

                Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
                ..... OFW .....
                ..........
                (My 1st WAF Avatar)
                ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
                -------------------( 01-21-16 update, real count=64+ )------------------
                1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
                real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
                S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
                3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
                white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
                *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
                4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                .....might be #10 or #11?
                13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
                37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                ..... A.-G. K
                önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
                45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
                47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
                49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
                51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
                52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
                53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
                54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
                55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
                56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
                57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
                58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
                59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
                .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
                60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
                .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
                61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
                62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
                63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
                64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
                -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------

                A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
                ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag), 64(tag).
                D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
                ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63(tag).
                E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
                ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
                Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                ....... pennants)
                Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
                Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
                ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
                ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
                References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
                German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
                NSKOV veteran tops...
                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
                DAF & NSBO tops ...
                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
                SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


                --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
                Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
                Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
                Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
                Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
                and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
                Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
                Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
                Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
                Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
                Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)

                Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
                Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
                Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
                Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
                ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
                Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
                ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
                ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
                Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
                ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

                ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
                ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
                Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
                ....see t=815734.
                Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
                -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------

                See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
                and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
                --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
                S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
                S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
                S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
                S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
                S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
                S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
                (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
                Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
                -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
                DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
                DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
                DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
                SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                ******************************************
                .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
                (below) Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
                Attached Files
                sigpic
                .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

                Comment


                  WW2 &quot;real&quot; flag sizes ????

                  [From t=847697 post #7]
                  Great source. I've had my original copy of the KM Flaggenbuch
                  since the 1970's. I quoted RKF data from same on the WAF many
                  times, starting with my post #9 in WAF t=306922 back in 2008.
                  --------------------- (Previous from OFW)---------------------------
                  Size#, measurement ----> ship tonnage, type ship (*= not in KMF book)
                  #12..450x750cm, -------> over 10K, RKF, *Battleship (Bismarck 50Kt)
                  #11..400x670cm, -------> over 10K tons, *B-Cruiser (Eugen 14Kt)
                  #10..300x500cm, -------> 1500 to 10K tons, *Cruiser (Leipzig 8.4K tons)
                  #8....200x335cm, -------> 1500 to 10K tons, *Destroyer 3Kt & Cruiser 8Kt
                  #7....150x250cm, -------> 500 to 1500 tons, *(note U-Boat pole too short)
                  #6....100x170cm, ------->
                  500 to 1500 tons, *DE-Torpedo Boat 900 tons
                  #5....80x135cm, --------> up to 500 tons, *U-Boats and E-Boats, tugs
                  #3....50x85cm, ---------> up to 500 tons, *U-Boats 900t, E-Boats 120t
                  -----------------------------------------------------------------------
                  Can't say why no KM RKF sizes 1,2,4,9, maybe these are Army sizes?
                  That is the case with US flag sizes, Army fort size is #1 and the largest
                  at 20x38 feet, US Battleship size is #2 at 18x36 feet. Largest RKF is
                  KM size #12 which was ~15x25 feet (reverse of US number system).
                  -----------------------------------------------------------------------
                  US military flag size number system is just the opposite, i.e.,
                  there were twelve U.S. National Ensign (flag) sizes as follows:

                  #1....20x38 feet ----------> US Army fort parade ground size
                  #2....19x36.10 feet -------> battleship at anchor stern flown size
                  #3....14.35x27.27 feet ----> cruiser size "
                  #4....12.19x23.16 feet ----> really big sizes 1,2,3,4 are rare
                  #5....10x19 feet ----------> Army size
                  #6....8.94x16.99 feet -----> cruiser size at sea
                  #7....5.14x9.77 feet ------> larger ship stern size
                  #8....5x9.50 feet ---------> Army size
                  #9....3.52x6.69 feet ------> destroyer size
                  #10..2.90x5.51 feet ------> standard top mast ship size
                  #11..2.37x4.50 feet ------> smaller ship in port size
                  #12..1.33x2.50 feet ------> PT & Sub size at sea

                  ..... OFW .....
                  ..........
                  (My 1st WAF Avatar)

                  (below) two WW2 examples from my collection, KM #3 (left), US #12 (right).

                  PS/ As I write this now again watching on free over the air roof
                  antenna Movies!-TV the "Extremely well" done 1963 Hollywood
                  blockbuster "Cleopatra". I love to see prop flags in my collection
                  flash by on the TV screen, especially in my favorite Roman movies.
                  Attached Files
                  Last edited by oldflagswanted; 02-23-2016, 03:21 PM.
                  sigpic
                  .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

                  Comment


                    Fk7. RKF, 1970's Japan made $10 fake.

                    Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
                    ..... OFW .....

                    ..........
                    (My 1st WAF Avatar)
                    ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
                    -------------------( 02-24-16 update, real count=64+ )------------------
                    1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                    2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                    2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                    2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                    3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                    3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                    3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                    3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
                    real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
                    S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
                    3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
                    white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
                    *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
                    4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                    5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                    6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                    7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                    8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                    8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                    9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                    10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                    11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                    12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                    .....might be #10 or #11?
                    13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                    14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                    15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                    16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                    ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                    17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                    18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                    19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                    20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                    21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                    22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                    23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                    24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                    25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                    26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                    27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                    27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                    27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                    28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                    29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                    29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                    30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                    30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                    31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                    32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                    33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                    34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                    35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                    36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                    36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
                    37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                    .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                    38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                    .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                    39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                    ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                    40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                    41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                    ..... A.-G. K
                    önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                    42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                    43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                    ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                    44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                    .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                    44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
                    45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                    46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                    ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
                    47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                    48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                    48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
                    49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                    50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
                    51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
                    52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
                    53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
                    54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
                    55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
                    56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
                    57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
                    58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
                    59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
                    .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
                    60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
                    .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
                    61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
                    62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
                    63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
                    64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
                    -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------

                    A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                    B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                    C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
                    ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag), 64(tag).
                    D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
                    ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63(tag).
                    E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
                    ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
                    Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                    Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                    ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                    Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                    ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                    Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                    Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                    Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                    ....... pennants)
                    Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                    Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                    Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                    Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                    Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                    Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                    Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                    Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                    Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                    Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                    ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                    ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                    Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                    ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
                    Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
                    ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
                    ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
                    References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
                    German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
                    NSKOV veteran tops...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
                    DAF & NSBO tops ...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
                    SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


                    --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
                    Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                    Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                    Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                    Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                    --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
                    Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                    Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                    Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
                    Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                    Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
                    Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                    Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
                    and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
                    Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                    Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                    Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                    Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
                    Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
                    Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
                    Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                    Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                    Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
                    Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)

                    Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                    Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                    Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                    ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                    Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                    Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                    Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                    Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                    Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                    Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                    Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                    Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                    Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                    Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
                    Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                    Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                    Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                    Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                    Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                    Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                    ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                    Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                    Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                    Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                    Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
                    Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
                    Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
                    ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
                    Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
                    ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
                    ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
                    Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
                    ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

                    ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
                    ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
                    Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
                    ....see t=815734.
                    Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
                    -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------

                    See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
                    and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
                    --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                    SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
                    S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                    S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                    S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                    S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                    S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                    S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                    S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                    S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                    S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                    S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                    S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                    S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                    S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
                    S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                    S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                    S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                    S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                    S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                    S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                    S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
                    S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
                    S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
                    S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
                    S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
                    (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                    Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
                    Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
                    -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
                    DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                    DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
                    DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
                    DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
                    SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                    ******************************************
                    .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
                    (below) Fk7. leather triangle corners & strings, ($10 RKF, 1970's Japan made)
                    Attached Files
                    sigpic
                    .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

                    Comment


                      Fake SS-Battalion Flags, S-Fk1-5 ...

                      S-Fk1-5, fake SS Battalion Flags, ... see t=414513 page=14
                      ..... OFW .....
                      ..........
                      (My 1st WAF Avatar)
                      ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
                      -------------------( 04-16-16 update, real count=64+ )------------------
                      1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                      2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                      2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                      2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                      3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                      3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                      3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                      3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
                      real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
                      S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
                      3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
                      white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
                      *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
                      4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                      5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                      6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                      7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                      8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                      8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                      9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                      10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                      11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                      12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                      .....might be #10 or #11?
                      13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                      14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                      15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                      16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                      ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                      17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                      18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                      19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                      20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                      21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                      22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                      23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                      24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                      25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                      26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                      27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                      27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                      27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                      28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                      29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                      29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                      30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                      30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                      31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                      32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                      33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                      34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                      35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                      36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                      36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
                      37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                      .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                      38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                      .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                      39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                      ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                      40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                      41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                      ..... A.-G. K
                      önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                      42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                      43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                      ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                      44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                      .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                      44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
                      45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                      46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                      ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
                      47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                      48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                      48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
                      49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                      50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
                      51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
                      52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
                      53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
                      54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
                      55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
                      56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
                      57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
                      58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
                      59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
                      .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
                      60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
                      .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
                      61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
                      62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
                      63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
                      64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
                      -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------

                      A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                      B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                      C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
                      ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag), 64(tag).
                      D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
                      ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63(tag).
                      E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61(tag).
                      ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
                      Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                      Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                      ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                      Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                      ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                      Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                      Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                      Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                      ....... pennants)
                      Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                      Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                      Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                      Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                      Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                      Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                      Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                      Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                      Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                      Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                      ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                      ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                      Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                      ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
                      Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
                      ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
                      ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
                      References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
                      German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
                      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
                      NSKOV veteran tops...
                      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
                      DAF & NSBO tops ...
                      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
                      SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
                      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


                      --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
                      Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                      Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                      Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                      Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                      --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
                      Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                      Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                      Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
                      Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                      Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
                      Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                      Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
                      and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
                      Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                      Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                      Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                      Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
                      Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
                      Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
                      Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                      Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                      Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
                      Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)

                      Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                      Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                      Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                      ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                      Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                      Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                      Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                      Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                      Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                      Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                      Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                      Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                      Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                      Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
                      Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                      Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                      Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                      Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                      Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                      Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                      ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                      Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                      Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                      Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                      Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
                      Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
                      Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
                      ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
                      Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
                      ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
                      ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
                      Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
                      ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

                      ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
                      ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
                      Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
                      ....see t=815734.
                      Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
                      -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------

                      See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
                      and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
                      --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                      SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
                      S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                      S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                      S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                      S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                      S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                      S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                      S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                      S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                      S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                      S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                      S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                      S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                      S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
                      S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                      S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                      S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                      S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                      S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                      S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                      S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
                      S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
                      S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
                      S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
                      S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
                      (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                      Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
                      Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
                      -----------------[ Known overt SS-SBF fakes: ]---------------------
                      S-Fk1. III/1, narrow twist patch cord & outlined font numbers.(*)
                      S-Fk2. I/SS2, non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings.
                      S-Fk3. V+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers & skull.
                      S-Fk4. I/111, non-wire corner patch numbers & no blk/silver fringe.
                      S-Fk5. II/70, non-wire corner patch numbers with all black fringe.
                      ............
                      Note(*): Earlier fake of Org-book III/1 SBF also known with
                      heavy bullion wire corner patch & non-cs numbers.

                      -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------

                      DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                      DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
                      DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
                      DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
                      SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                      ******************************************
                      .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
                      (below) S-Fk1-5, fake SS Battalion Flags, ... see t=414513 page=14.

                      ............................... OFW ..............................
                      Last edited by oldflagswanted; 04-16-2016, 09:58 AM.
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                      .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

                      Comment


                        Hi,

                        on my Reichskriegsflagge 80 x 135 1st pattern

                        sewn on label

                        FLAGGENFABRIK
                        GÄTH & PEINE HAMBURG
                        GEGRÜNDET 1867

                        Comment


                          List update: #65p &amp; S-Fk1,1b,1c-5.

                          65p. Flaggenfabrik Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegrundet 1867, RKF (tag).
                          S-Fk1,1b,1c-5, fake SS Battalion Flags,
                          ... see t=414513 page=14
                          ..... OFW .....
                          ..........
                          (My 1st WAF Avatar)
                          ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
                          -------------------( 04-18-16 update, real count=65+ )------------------
                          1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                          2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                          2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                          2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                          3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                          3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                          3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                          3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
                          real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
                          S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
                          3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
                          white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
                          *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
                          4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                          5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                          6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                          7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                          8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                          8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                          9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                          10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                          11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                          12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                          .....might be #10 or #11?
                          13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                          14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                          15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                          16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                          ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                          17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                          18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                          19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                          20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                          21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                          22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, p=pending full review)
                          23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                          24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                          25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                          26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                          27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                          27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                          27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                          28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                          29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                          29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                          30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                          30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                          31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                          32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                          33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                          34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                          35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                          36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                          36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
                          37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                          .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                          38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                          .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                          39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                          ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                          40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                          41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                          ..... A.-G. K
                          önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                          42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                          43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                          ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                          44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                          .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                          44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
                          45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                          46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                          ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
                          47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                          48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                          48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
                          49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                          50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
                          51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
                          52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
                          53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
                          54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
                          55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
                          56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
                          57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
                          58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
                          59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
                          .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
                          60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
                          .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
                          61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
                          62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
                          63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
                          64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
                          65p.
                          Flaggenfabrik Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegrundet 1867, RKF (tag).
                          -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------

                          A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                          B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                          C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
                          ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag), 64(tag).
                          D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
                          ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63(tag).
                          E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61&65p(tag).
                          ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
                          Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                          Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                          ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                          Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                          ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                          Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                          Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                          Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                          ....... pennants)
                          Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                          Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                          Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                          Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                          Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                          Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                          Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                          Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                          Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                          Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                          ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                          ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                          Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                          ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
                          Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
                          ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
                          ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
                          References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
                          German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
                          NSKOV veteran tops...
                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
                          DAF & NSBO tops ...
                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
                          SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


                          --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
                          Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                          Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                          Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                          Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                          --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
                          Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                          Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                          Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
                          Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                          Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
                          Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                          Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
                          and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
                          Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                          Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                          Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                          Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
                          Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
                          Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
                          Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                          Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                          Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
                          Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)

                          Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                          Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                          Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                          ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                          Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                          Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                          Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                          Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                          Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                          Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                          Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                          Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                          Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                          Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
                          Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                          Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                          Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                          Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                          Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                          Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                          ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                          Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                          Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                          Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                          Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
                          Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
                          Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
                          ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
                          Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
                          ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
                          ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
                          Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
                          ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

                          ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
                          ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
                          Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
                          ....see t=815734.
                          Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
                          -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------

                          See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
                          and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
                          --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                          SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
                          S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                          S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                          S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                          S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                          S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                          S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                          S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                          S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                          S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                          S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                          S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                          S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                          S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
                          S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                          S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                          S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                          S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                          S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                          S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                          S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
                          S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
                          S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
                          S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
                          S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
                          (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                          Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
                          Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
                          -----------------[ Known overt SS-SBF fakes: ]---------------------
                          S-Fk1. III/1, narrow twist patch cord & outlined font numbers.
                          S-Fk1b. III/1, heavy bullion wire non-chain stitched numbers.
                          S-Fk1c. III/1, tress edge, wire corner patch & non-cs numbers.
                          S-Fk2. I/SS2, non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings.
                          S-Fk3. V+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers & skull.
                          S-Fk4. I/111, non-wire corner patch numbers & no blk/silver fringe.
                          S-Fk5. II/70, non-wire corner patch numbers with all black fringe.

                          -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
                          DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                          DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
                          DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
                          DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
                          SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                          ******************************************
                          .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
                          (below) S-Fk1,1b,1c-5, fake SS Battalion Flags, t=414513 page=14.


                          ..................................... OFW ......................................
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                          Comment


                            HJ Flag maker

                            I could not find this maker on the list. It was an HJ flag marked 80 x 135.

                            Henrich Muller
                            Munchen



                            Comment


                              List additions #66p and #67

                              67. Westdeutsche Fahnen-Fabrik Bonn, *Sasktraveler, HPSignal (tag).
                              ..... OFW .....
                              ..........
                              (My 1st WAF Avatar)
                              ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
                              -------------------( 05-24-16 update, real count=67+ )------------------
                              1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                              2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                              2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                              2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                              3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                              3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                              3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                              3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
                              real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
                              S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
                              3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
                              white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
                              *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
                              4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                              5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                              6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                              7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                              8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                              8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                              9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                              10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                              11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                              12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                              .....might be #10 or #11?
                              13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                              14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                              15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                              16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                              ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                              17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                              18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                              19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                              20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                              21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                              22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, p=pending full review)
                              23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                              24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                              25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                              26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                              27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                              27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                              27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                              28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                              29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                              29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                              30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                              30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                              31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                              32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                              33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                              34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                              35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                              36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                              36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
                              37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                              .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                              38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                              .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                              39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                              ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                              40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                              41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                              ..... A.-G. K
                              önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                              42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                              43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                              ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                              44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                              .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                              44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
                              45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                              46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                              ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
                              47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                              48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                              48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
                              49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                              50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
                              51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
                              52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
                              53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
                              54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
                              55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
                              56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
                              57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
                              58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
                              59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
                              .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
                              60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
                              .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
                              61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
                              62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
                              63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
                              64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
                              65p.
                              Flaggenfabrik Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegrundet 1867, RKF (tag).
                              66p. Henrich Muller Munchen, pending photo comfirmation, HJ.
                              67. Westdeutsche Fahnen-Fabrik Bonn, *Sasktraveler, HPSignal (tag).
                              -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------

                              A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                              B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                              C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
                              ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag), 64(tag), 67(tag).
                              D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
                              ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63(tag).
                              E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61&65p(tag).
                              ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
                              Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                              Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                              ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                              Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                              ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                              Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                              Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                              Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                              ....... pennants)
                              Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                              Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                              Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                              Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                              Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                              Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                              Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                              Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                              Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                              Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                              ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                              ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                              Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                              ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
                              Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
                              ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
                              ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
                              References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
                              German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
                              NSKOV veteran tops...
                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
                              DAF & NSBO tops ...
                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
                              SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


                              --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
                              Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                              Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                              Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                              Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                              --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
                              Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                              Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                              Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
                              Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                              Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
                              Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                              Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
                              and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
                              Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                              Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                              Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                              Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
                              Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
                              Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
                              Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                              Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                              Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
                              Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)

                              Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                              Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                              Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                              ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                              Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                              Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                              Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                              Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                              Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                              Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                              Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                              Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                              Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                              Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
                              Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                              Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                              Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                              Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                              Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                              Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                              ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                              Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                              Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                              Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                              Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
                              Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
                              Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
                              ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
                              Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
                              ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
                              ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
                              Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
                              ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

                              ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
                              ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
                              Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
                              ....see t=815734.
                              Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
                              -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------

                              See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
                              and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
                              --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                              SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
                              S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                              S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                              S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                              S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                              S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                              S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                              S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                              S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                              S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                              S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                              S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                              S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                              S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
                              S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                              S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                              S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                              S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                              S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                              S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                              S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
                              S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
                              S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
                              S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
                              S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
                              (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                              Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
                              Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
                              -----------------[ Known overt SS-SBF fakes: ]---------------------
                              S-Fk1. III/1, narrow twist patch cord & outlined font numbers.
                              S-Fk1b. III/1, heavy bullion wire non-chain stitched numbers.
                              S-Fk1c. III/1, tress edge, wire corner patch & non-cs numbers.
                              S-Fk2. I/SS2, non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings.
                              S-Fk3. V+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers & skull.
                              S-Fk4. I/111, non-wire corner patch numbers & no blk/silver fringe.
                              S-Fk5. II/70, non-wire corner patch numbers with all black fringe.

                              -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
                              DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                              DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
                              DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
                              DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
                              SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                              ******************************************
                              .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
                              (below) 67. Westdeutsche Fahnen-Fabrik Bonn, *Sasktraveler, HPSignal (tag).
                              Attached Files
                              sigpic
                              .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

                              Comment


                                Maker #65 tag photo.

                                65. Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegr 1867 Flaggenfabrik, *ff1, SF (tag).
                                ..... OFW .....
                                ..........
                                (My 1st WAF Avatar)
                                ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
                                -------------------( 06-03-16 update, real count=67+ )------------------
                                1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                                2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                                2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                                2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                                3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                                3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                                3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                                3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
                                real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
                                S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
                                3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
                                white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
                                *Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
                                4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                                5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                                6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                                7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                                8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                                8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                                9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                                10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                                11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                                12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                                .....might be #10 or #11?
                                13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                                14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                                15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                                16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                                ..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                                17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                                18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                                19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                                20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                                21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                                22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, p=pending full review)
                                23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                                24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                                25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                                26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                                27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                                27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                                27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                                28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                                29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                                29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                                30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                                30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                                31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                                32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                                33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                                34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                                35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                                36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                                36b. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *NBolinger (Swastika pennant)
                                37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                                .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                                38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                                .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                                39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                                ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                                40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                                41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                                ..... A.-G. K
                                önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                                42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                                43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                                ..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                                44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                                .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                                44b. Walther Goldbach Berlin-Wilmersdorf1, *RW, (DDAC celluloid AFT)
                                45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                                46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                                ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
                                47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                                48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                                48b. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg-Hamburg, *TC, (Weimar RKF)
                                49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                                50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
                                51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
                                52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
                                53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
                                54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
                                55. Fahnen Fadik D. Koch Coberg, *espenlaub, (1930 vet flag)
                                56. Hallesche Fahnenfabrik, Halle A.S., *RW, (Swaz pennant)
                                57. Klinger, with KM stamp, * michiel01 t=564994 (signal pennants)
                                58. Lanex, with KM "M" stamp, * darrenbate t=745272 (signal pennants)
                                59. Leo Goedeckemeyer, Freiburg/Br.EggStr.3, *hdmarley (Hunting Flag)
                                .... sewn on maker label ref. WAF t=765138.
                                60. S.A.-Mann Herman Tschunden, Ad *GS, t=773758, post #11.,
                                .... Hakenkreuz-Hausfahnen. (on flag marking unknown).
                                61. Jos.Fssels, Wascheausstattung, M.Gladbach, tag.*OFW, (3RNF)
                                62. Fahnen Reinecke Hannover, *james s., t=791146b, (RDF tag).
                                63. Fahnenfabrik Mehn Braunschweig, *Discostu, t=837674, (tag).
                                64. J.Gross Nachfolgen Stetter, Mannheim, *anton67, t=839188, (tag).
                                65.
                                Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegr 1867 Flaggenfabrik, *ff1, SF (tag).
                                65p.
                                Flaggenfabrik Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegrundet 1867, RKF (tag).
                                66p. Henrich Muller Munchen, pending photo comfirmation, HJ.
                                67. Westdeutsche Fahnen-Fabrik Bonn, *Sasktraveler, HPSignal (tag).
                                -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------

                                A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                                B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                                C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
                                ....38(tag), 44, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54, 57, 58, 62(tag), 64(tag), 67(tag).
                                D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
                                ....31,39(tag), 47, 48, 48b(tag), 53(tag), 56(tag), 59 (tag), 63(tag).
                                E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51, 61&65(tag).
                                ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
                                Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                                Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                                ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                                Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                                ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                                Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                                Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                                Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                                ....... pennants)
                                Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                                Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                                Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                                Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                                Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                                Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                                Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                                Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                                Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                                Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                                ....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                                ......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                                Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                                ....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
                                Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
                                ....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
                                ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
                                References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
                                German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
                                NSKOV veteran tops...
                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
                                DAF & NSBO tops ...
                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
                                SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


                                --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
                                Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                                Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                                Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                                Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                                --------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
                                Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                                Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                                Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
                                Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                                Fk3e. Fake RKF, ~61x88cm, 1st pattern, bad marking, *Normandy, t=831734
                                Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                                Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
                                and additional examples shown in WAF t=745222 and t=807943.
                                Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                                Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                                Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                                Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, 1970's Japan made)
                                Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
                                Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
                                Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                                Fk7e. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                                Fk7f. Adolf Hitler Standard, Modern Japan made, *Craig H t=833290
                                Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)

                                Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                                Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                                Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                                ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                                Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                                Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                                Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                                Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                                Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                                Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                                Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                                Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                                Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                                Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
                                Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                                Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                                Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                                Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                                Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                                Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                                ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                                Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                                Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                                Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                                Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
                                Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
                                Fk25. RZM St 21/36 SS, & 12.SS-Panzer Division Hitler Jugend,
                                ....fake tags, *LVAZ, (HJ) from t=775238.
                                Fk26, small table top flags (ttf's) & pennants, printed
                                ....or embroidered. SW Asia made, some with metal lug end
                                ....cross rods as seen in t=785055. (SS,KM,Heer, etc.)
                                Fk27. Different 3rd Reich standards in color on heavy cardstock,
                                ....etc. 11 inches x 9.5 inches. *OFW, see t=815666 & more.

                                ...."... four differant versions sold by "Insignia Collector's Club" in the
                                ....late 50s/early 60s... ".
                                Fk28. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 27.0" x 11.5",*OFW (WW1 Lancer pennant),
                                ....see t=815734.
                                Fk29. NMM, IKF, 60x90cm,*OFW (WW1 War Flag), ... see t=841383.
                                -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------

                                See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
                                and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
                                --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                                SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at ~27 SS battalion flags
                                S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                                S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                                S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                                S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                                S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                                S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                                S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                                S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                                S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                                S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                                S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                                S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                                S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
                                S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                                S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                                S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                                S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                                S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                                S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                                S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
                                S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
                                S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
                                S29. III/97, 2nd Pattern, but fringe not shown, *Doug Kenwright
                                S30. II/98, "Landskron" (f. Sudetenland), 2p & fringe, *paulj on WAF".
                                (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                                Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
                                Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
                                -----------------[ Known overt SS-SBF fakes: ]---------------------
                                S-Fk1. III/1, narrow twist patch cord & outlined font numbers.
                                S-Fk1b. III/1, heavy bullion wire non-chain stitched numbers.
                                S-Fk1c. III/1, tress edge, wire corner patch & non-cs numbers.
                                S-Fk2. I/SS2, non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings.
                                S-Fk3. V+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers & skull.
                                S-Fk4. I/111, non-wire corner patch numbers & no blk/silver fringe.
                                S-Fk5. II/70, non-wire corner patch numbers with all black fringe.

                                -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
                                DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                                DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
                                DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
                                DE4. SA Salzkammergut, *OFW, WAF t=705220, ~$300K USD 2013
                                SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                                ******************************************
                                .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
                                (below) 65. Gath & Peine Hamburg Gegr 1867 Flaggenfabrik, *ff1, SF (tag).
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