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    Fk3c SS Lightning Bolt fake update ...

    Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
    ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
    -------------------( 6-10-13 update, real count=52 )------------------
    1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
    2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
    2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
    2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
    3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
    3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
    3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
    3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
    real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
    S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's
    .

    4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
    5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
    6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
    7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
    8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
    8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
    9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
    10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
    11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
    12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
    .....might be #10 or #11?
    13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
    14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
    15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
    16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
    ..... G.FL,
    Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
    17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
    18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
    19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
    20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
    21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
    22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
    23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
    24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
    25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
    26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
    27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
    27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
    27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
    28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
    29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
    29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
    30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
    30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
    31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
    32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
    33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
    34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
    35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
    36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
    37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
    .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
    38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
    .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
    39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
    ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
    40. Mare Island
    Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
    41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
    ..... A.-G. K
    önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
    42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
    43. Fahnen Werkst
    ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
    ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
    *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
    44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
    .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
    45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
    46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
    ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

    47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
    48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
    49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
    50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF)
    t=642818
    51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
    52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
    -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
    A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
    B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
    C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
    ....38(tag), 44, 48, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag).

    D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
    ....31,39(tag), 47.

    E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
    Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
    ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
    Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
    ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
    Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
    Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
    Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
    ....... pennants)
    Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
    Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
    Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
    Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
    Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
    Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
    Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

    Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
    Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
    Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
    .......
    1932 or 1933
    in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
    ......... like
    #91-OFW* pole top collection.
    Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
    ....... Munchen,
    (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
    Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
    ....... *inimicus,
    (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
    Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
    Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
    Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
    Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
    Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
    Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
    Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
    Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
    Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
    Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
    Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
    Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
    Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
    Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
    Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
    Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
    Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
    Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
    Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
    ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
    Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
    Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
    Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
    Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
    Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
    Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
    Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
    Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
    Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
    Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
    Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
    Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
    Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
    Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
    Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
    ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
    Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
    Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
    Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
    Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
    Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
    ------------------[ Original Chain Stitched Pennants]-----------------
    See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179

    --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
    SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
    S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
    S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
    S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
    S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
    S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
    S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
    S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
    S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
    S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
    S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
    S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
    S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
    S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
    S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
    S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
    S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
    S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
    S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
    1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
    S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
    S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
    (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
    -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
    DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
    SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
    ******************************************
    .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
    Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
    (below-2) Another SS fake marked Dienstflagge & 60x90, t=353725
    Attached Files
    Last edited by oldflagswanted; 06-10-2013, 07:49 PM.
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    .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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      #53 update ...

      53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
      ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
      -------------------( 6-11-13 update, real count=53 )------------------
      1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
      2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
      2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
      2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
      3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
      3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
      3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
      3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
      real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
      S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's
      .

      4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
      5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
      6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
      7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
      8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
      8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
      9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
      10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
      11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
      12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
      .....might be #10 or #11?
      13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
      14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
      15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
      16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
      ..... G.FL,
      Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
      17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
      18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
      19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
      20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
      21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
      22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
      23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
      24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
      25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
      26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
      27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
      27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
      27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
      28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
      29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
      29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
      30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
      30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
      31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
      32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
      33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
      34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
      35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
      36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
      37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
      .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
      38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
      .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
      39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
      ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
      40. Mare Island
      Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
      41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
      ..... A.-G. K
      önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
      42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
      43. Fahnen Werkst
      ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
      ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
      *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
      44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
      .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
      45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
      46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
      ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

      47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
      48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
      49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
      50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF)
      t=642818
      51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
      52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
      53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
      -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
      A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
      B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
      C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
      ....38(tag), 44, 48, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag).

      D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
      ....31,39(tag), 47, 53(tag).

      E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
      Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
      ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
      Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
      ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
      Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
      Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
      Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
      ....... pennants)
      Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
      Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
      Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
      Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
      Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
      Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
      Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

      Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
      Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
      Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
      .......
      1932 or 1933
      in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
      ......... like
      #91-OFW* pole top collection.
      Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
      ....... Munchen,
      (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
      Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
      ....... *inimicus,
      (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
      Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
      Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
      Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
      Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
      Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
      Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
      Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
      Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
      Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
      Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
      Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
      Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
      Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
      Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
      Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
      Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
      Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
      Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
      Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
      ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
      Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
      Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
      Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
      Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
      Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
      Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
      Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
      Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
      Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
      Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
      Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
      Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
      Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
      Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
      Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
      ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
      Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
      Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
      Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
      Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
      Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
      ------------------[ Original Chain Stitched Pennants]-----------------
      See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179

      --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
      SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
      S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
      S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
      S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
      S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
      S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
      S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
      S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
      S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
      S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
      S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
      S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
      S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
      S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
      S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
      S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
      S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
      S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
      S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
      1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
      S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
      S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
      (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
      -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
      DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
      SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
      ******************************************
      .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
      53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)



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      Comment


        Another 3d example from 1962

        Another made after WW2 Bonner flag example,
        #3d = Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344...,
        as also shown in this "wmtf" thread posts #223/224.

        OFW
        Attached Files
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        Comment


          Yet another after WW2 Bonner flag ...

          Yet another made after WW2 Bonner flag example,
          #3d = Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344..., &
          as also shown in this "wmtf" thread posts #223/224.

          OFW
          (below) From WAF estand thread t=676570, listed as a
          "huge Iraq kingdom flag, ... 2 x 4 m" Flag has NATO
          stock number, so IMO made in the late 1950's. OFW
          Attached Files
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          Comment


            make #5 info ...

            5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, online info from...
            http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neue_Au...r_Kattunfabrik
            OFW
            Attached Files
            Last edited by oldflagswanted; 06-26-2013, 02:54 AM.
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            Comment


              #54 update ...

              54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
              ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
              -------------------( 7-14-13 update, real count=54 )------------------
              1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
              2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
              2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
              2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
              3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
              3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
              3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
              3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
              real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
              S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's
              .

              4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
              5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
              6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
              7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
              8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
              8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
              9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
              10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
              11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
              12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
              .....might be #10 or #11?
              13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
              14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
              15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
              16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
              ..... G.FL,
              Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
              17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
              18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
              19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
              20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
              21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
              22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
              23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
              24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
              25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
              26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
              27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
              27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
              27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
              28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
              29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
              29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
              30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
              30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
              31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
              32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
              33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
              34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
              35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
              36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
              37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
              .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
              38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
              .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
              39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
              ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
              40. Mare Island
              Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
              41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
              ..... A.-G. K
              önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
              42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
              43. Fahnen Werkst
              ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
              ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
              *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
              44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
              .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
              45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
              46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
              ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

              47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
              48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
              49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
              50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF)
              t=642818
              51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
              52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
              53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
              54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
              -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
              A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
              B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
              C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
              ....38(tag), 44, 48, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag).

              D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
              ....31,39(tag), 47, 53(tag).

              E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
              ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
              Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
              ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
              Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
              ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
              Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
              Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
              Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
              ....... pennants)
              Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
              Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
              Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
              Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
              Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
              Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
              Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

              Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
              Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
              Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
              .......
              1932 or 1933
              in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
              ......... like
              #91-OFW* pole top collection.
              Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
              ....... Munchen,
              (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
              Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
              ....... *inimicus,
              (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
              ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
              Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
              Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
              Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
              Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
              Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
              Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
              Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
              Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
              Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
              Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
              Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
              Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
              Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
              Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
              Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
              Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
              Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
              Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
              Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
              Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
              ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
              Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
              Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
              Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
              Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
              Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
              Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
              Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
              Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
              Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
              Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
              Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
              Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
              Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
              Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
              Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
              ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
              Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
              Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
              Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
              Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
              Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
              ------------------[ Original Chain Stitched Pennants]-----------------
              See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179

              --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
              SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
              S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
              S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
              S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
              S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
              S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
              S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
              S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
              S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
              S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
              S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
              S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
              S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
              S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
              S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
              S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
              S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
              S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
              S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
              S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
              1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
              S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
              S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
              (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
              -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
              DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
              SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
              ******************************************
              .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
              (below-left) 54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
              Attached Files
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                I have a war flag number 31 on this list. Oskar u. Kurt arlt 100x170. Perfect condition. How much would you guys say it's worth?

                Comment


                  What is it worth ???

                  Originally posted by accordionman0 View Post
                  I have a war flag number 31 on this list.
                  Oskar u. Kurt arlt 100x170. Perfect condition.
                  How much would you guys say it's worth?
                  Hello accordionman0:
                  Welcome to the WAF flag forum. A "war flag" value
                  is around $500 retail. You can search the WAF by
                  using the keyword letter string RKF, to see more
                  "what is it worth" postings. Or $$$ examples at ...

                  http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=678272
                  OFW

                  (below) As noted elsewhere online & posted on WAF t=678272.
                  "Kr.Fl. 80x133 [3=read error] ... stamps indicate the manufacturer ...
                  where the flag was produced, LORENZ SUMMA SOHNE, OBERKOTZAU.
                  PRICING GUIDE INFORMATION"

                  <table border="1"><tbody><tr><td>Year</td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2006 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2007 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2008 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2009 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2010 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2011 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2012 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2013 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2014 </td> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> 2015 </td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e">Value </td> <td> $300.00 </td> <td> $375.00 </td> <td> $420.00 </td> <td> $440.00 </td> <td> $470.00 </td> <td>
                  </td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> Availability </td> <td> Medium </td> <td> Medium </td> <td> Medium </td> <td> Medium </td> <td> Medium </td> <td>
                  </td> </tr> <tr> <td bgcolor="#cfcf9e"> Invest Grade </td> <td> B </td> <td> B </td> <td> B </td> <td> B </td> <td> B </td> <td>
                  </td> </tr> </tbody></table> (above) from http://quanonline.com/military/milit...flags/navy.php
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                    Recap of WAF pole top threads ...

                    Recap of some WAF pole top threads with maker info:
                    ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
                    -------------------( 7-18-13 update, real count=54 )------------------
                    1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                    2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                    2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                    2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                    3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                    3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                    3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                    3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
                    real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
                    S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's
                    .

                    4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                    5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                    6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                    7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                    8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                    8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                    9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                    10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                    11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                    12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                    .....might be #10 or #11?
                    13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                    14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                    15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                    16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                    ..... G.FL,
                    Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                    17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                    18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                    19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                    20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                    21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                    22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                    23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                    24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                    25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                    26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                    27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                    27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                    27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                    28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                    29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                    29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                    30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                    30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                    31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                    32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                    33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                    34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                    35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                    36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                    37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                    .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                    38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                    .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                    39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                    ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                    40. Mare Island
                    Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                    41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                    ..... A.-G. K
                    önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                    42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                    43. Fahnen Werkst
                    ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                    ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
                    *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                    44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                    .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                    45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                    46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                    ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

                    47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                    48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                    49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                    50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF)
                    t=642818
                    51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
                    52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
                    53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
                    54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
                    -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
                    A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                    B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                    C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
                    ....38(tag), 44, 48, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54.

                    D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
                    ....31,39(tag), 47, 53(tag).

                    E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
                    ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
                    Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                    Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                    ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                    Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                    ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                    Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                    Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                    Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                    ....... pennants)
                    Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                    Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                    Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                    Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                    Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                    Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                    Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                    Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                    Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                    Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                    .......
                    1932 or 1933
                    in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                    ......... like
                    #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                    Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                    ....... Munchen,
                    (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
                    Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
                    ....... *inimicus,
                    (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
                    ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
                    References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
                    German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
                    NSKOV veteran tops...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
                    DAF & NSBO tops ...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
                    SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


                    --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
                    Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                    Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                    Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                    Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                    Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                    Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                    Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
                    Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                    Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
                    Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                    Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                    Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                    Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
                    Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
                    Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
                    Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                    Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
                    Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                    Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                    Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                    ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                    Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                    Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                    Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                    Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                    Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                    Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                    Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                    Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                    Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                    Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                    Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                    Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                    Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                    Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                    Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                    ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                    Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                    Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                    Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                    Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
                    Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
                    -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
                    See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179

                    and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
                    --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                    SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
                    S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                    S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                    S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                    S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                    S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                    S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                    S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                    S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                    S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                    S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                    S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                    S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                    S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
                    S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                    S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                    S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                    S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                    S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                    S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
                    1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                    S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                    S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
                    (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                    -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
                    DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                    SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                    ******************************************
                    .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
                    (below) Recap of some WAF pole top threads:
                    German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
                    NSKOV veteran tops...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
                    DAF & NSBO tops ...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
                    SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
                    http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

                    OFW
                    (below) Third Reich Army top, from t=672535
                    Last edited by oldflagswanted; 07-18-2013, 05:47 AM.
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                    Comment


                      New to RKF

                      Hello gentlemen’s!
                      I just bought my first rkf and u can see it on the pictures below. I can’t really figure out where, or what number in the list of flag manufacturer this one could be. There isn’t much of a marker and I’m not Shure wherever it’s a fake or not. The measure is 90*160cm if that could help. Could anyone help me out here?

                      Comment


                        real or fake ???

                        Originally posted by Karlsson View Post
                        ...just bought my first rkf and u can see it
                        on the pictures below. I can’t really figure
                        out ...manufacturer ...measure is 90*160cm...
                        Hello Karlsson:
                        Welcome to the WAF flag forum. Your RKF
                        photo(s) did not show up for me, so hard
                        to comment on same. Note, Official RKF's
                        are #6 = 100x170cm, and #5 = 80x135cm,
                        so 90x160cm size is suspect based on that.

                        OFW
                        (below) Some known (OFW-Fk3b) 90x150cm RKF fakes.

                        (below-2) Another 90x150cm (OFW-Fk3b) fake, note clothesline type rope, header marking and material.
                        sigpic
                        .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                          Oops, sorry about that :P
                          I´ll give it another try. Here we go;
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                          Comment


                            photo comments ???

                            Originally posted by Karlsson View Post
                            Oops, sorry about that ...I´ll
                            give it another try. Here we go;
                            Photos now showing, and from same interesting to see the
                            woven line down the header material - IMO a good sign.
                            Likewise, the rope appears thickly braided, and the fly end
                            appears to have KM spec high wind rows, thus the eagle "M"
                            marking. I do not see corner support patches, or any other
                            markings, and maybe size is a bit larger than you measured?
                            As already stated correct size would be 100x170cm, and so
                            yours might yet stretch measure out to approximately same.
                            Would be an interesting study to measure size marked RKF's
                            for how close they conform to their stated header markings.

                            OFW

                            (below) Some typical KM header marking examples.
                            sigpic
                            .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

                            Comment


                              Thanks again for your expertise! You were right about the size, I did stretch the fabric a bit and it turned out to be 100x170cm. The corner support patches are like an extra square of fabric. So I think we can agree that the flag is authentic?

                              Comment


                                SS-SBF III/6 update... Note [1] added

                                S26 Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157
                                ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
                                -------------------( 8-26-13 update, real count=54 )------------------
                                1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                                2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                                2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                                2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                                3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                                3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                                3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                                3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
                                real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
                                S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's
                                .

                                4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                                5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                                6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                                7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                                8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                                8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                                9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                                10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                                11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                                12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                                .....might be #10 or #11?
                                13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                                14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                                15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                                16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                                ..... G.FL,
                                Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                                17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                                18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                                19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                                20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                                21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                                22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                                23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                                24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                                25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                                26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                                27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                                27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                                27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                                28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                                29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                                29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                                30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                                30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                                31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                                32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                                33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                                34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                                35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                                36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                                37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                                .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                                38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                                .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                                39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                                ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                                40. Mare Island
                                Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                                41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                                ..... A.-G. K
                                önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                                42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                                43. Fahnen Werkst
                                ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                                ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
                                *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                                44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                                .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                                45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                                46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                                ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

                                47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                                48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                                49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                                50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF)
                                t=642818
                                51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
                                52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
                                53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
                                54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
                                -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
                                A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                                B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                                C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
                                ....38(tag), 44, 48, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54.

                                D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
                                ....31,39(tag), 47, 53(tag).

                                E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
                                ------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
                                Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                                Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                                ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                                Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                                ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                                Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                                Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                                Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                                ....... pennants)
                                Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                                Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                                Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                                Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                                Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                                Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                                Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                                Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                                Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                                Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                                .......
                                1932 or 1933
                                in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                                ......... like
                                #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                                Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                                ....... Munchen,
                                (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
                                Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
                                ....... *inimicus,
                                (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
                                ------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
                                References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
                                German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
                                NSKOV veteran tops...
                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
                                DAF & NSBO tops ...
                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
                                SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849


                                --------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
                                Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                                Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                                Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                                Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                                Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                                Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
                                Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
                                Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                                Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
                                Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                                Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                                Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                                Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
                                Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
                                Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
                                Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
                                Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
                                Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                                Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                                Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                                ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                                Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                                Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                                Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                                Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                                Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                                Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                                Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                                Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                                Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                                Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                                Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                                Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                                Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                                Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                                Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                                ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                                Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                                Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                                Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                                Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
                                Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
                                -----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
                                See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179

                                and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
                                --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                                SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
                                S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                                S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                                S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                                S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                                S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                                S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                                S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                                S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                                S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                                S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                                S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                                S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                                S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
                                S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                                S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                                S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                                S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                                S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
                                1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                                S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                                S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
                                (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                                Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
                                -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
                                DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                                SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                                ******************************************
                                .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
                                (below) S26 Note [1] Originality concerns in t=414513 post #157:
                                1. Uses snap hooks rather than pole mounting rings - two remain.
                                2. Wide other red shade border edge surrounding 1st pattern fringe.
                                3. Narrow 2nd pattern corner patch [*] cording with low unit number.
                                4. Odd looking III on the corner patch [*], see III/4 post #153 t=414513.
                                5. More oddly, an off centered 2nd pattern "mobile" swastika.
                                OFW
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