Deutschland Erwache Photos

[Robert H]

a pair I found once, finest quality leather and properly marked. Very rare to find correct ones.
Below the booklet from the Reichsparteitag of Weimar.

[darrenbate]

Mil:
"...berland" DE appears to me to be stiil in motion,
not at a "full-stop" as bearer's leg is bent forward.
On white trooping gloves, those are shown being
worn by elite SS and Police DE standartentragers.
OFW

I think Mil meant as in punctuation? The DE box, .....berland, that you can patially see in the photo looks to have a full stop at the end of the letters.

[jmb]

Seems to be a full stop after the "d".

[jmb]

On the same picture, what is this?

[jmb]

Forget my question as it was already answered by oldflagswanted in post #159


In the 1925 NSDAP HQ Office was displayed
two of the 1923 Putsch participant DE's stds,
with commemorative streamers attached. In
later views the streamers had been replaced
by the 1923 dated Putsch badge in the corner
OFW
(below) 1925 view again with BF and streamers.
(below-2) Munich DE with Putsch badge showing.

[jmb]

Close up.

Nothing more detailed to show?

[Military]

It would be interesting to see a closeup of the 1923 dated Putsch badge; or even other variations of DE banners.

Mil

[Military]

Found it - page 58 of Ulric's book.
Credit: Ulric (1997) Germany Awake (Deutschland Erwache): The History & Development of the Nazi Party and the "Germany Awake" Standards, Bender Publishing

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[Military]

Seems to be a full stop after the "d".

A check shows other examples such as Leipzig, Kyffhauser, Wartburg and Schlageter all have full stops as well.

Mil

[wilhelm Saris]

On the same picture, what is this?

Had not noticed it, but it is answered as in the book from Ulric.
Thanks JMB for noting the patch; thanks Military for pointing out to Ulric.

I thought it was once noted in the "Uniformen-Markt". Do not know
anymore what number.

[oldflagswanted]

Post #159b photo repeated.

Forget my question as it was already answered by
oldflagswanted in post #159

In the 1925 NSDAP HQ Office was displayed
two of the 1923 Putsch participant DE's stds,
with commemorative streamers attached. In
later views the streamers had been replaced
by the 1923 dated Putsch badge in the corner
OFW
(below) 1925 view again with BF and streamers.
(below-2) Munich DE with Putsch badge showing.

I understand that this Gahr repair shop "Munchen" DE
photo was also included in a rare stereo view 3-D album.
Anyone seen that photo version to comment on this rare
Putsch badge embroidery style and/or relief height?
OFW

[JoeW]

Mil:
"...berland" DE appears to me to be stiil in motion,
not at a "full-stop" as bearer's leg is bent forward.
On white trooping gloves, those are shown being
worn by elite SS and Police DE standartentragers.
OFW

Definitely part of the post 1937 police parade dress regulations for the flag and standard bearers and escort. And perhaps the same for the SS, but I don't have a copy of theirs.

[jmb]

Did this top finally hit the market?

https://www.harryrinker.com/col-1553.html

[oldflagswanted]

DE top found discussion ...

Did this top finally hit the market?

https://www.harryrinker.com/col-1553.html

jmb:
Interesting DE top discussion, noted from your provided link as follows ...
OFW
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RINKER ON COLLECTIBLES —Column #1553, ... 2016 Questions and Answers


QUESTION: I recently came across a Deutschland Erwache flagpole finial. The central feature
is a wreath with a swastika in the center. A spread-winged eagle sits atop the wreath. The
unrestored piece is missing most of its silver and gold plating. Through my research, I found
that Otto Gahr initially produced four Deutschland Erwache flagpole finials in 1923 and more
were mass-produced after that. Is there any way to tell the difference between the first four
and the others? I know the example I own being one of the original four is a long-shot, but I
figured I would ask. I have been told that in this condition its value would be around $10,000.00
to $12,000.00, but I really do not know who to trust. How can I best sell it to achieve its maximum
value? –AT, Buffalo, NY, Email Question

ANSWER: I am assuming that the ownership provenance of the Deutschland Erwache flagpole
finial has been lost over time. My suspicion is a “sticky finger collectible” brought home by a GI
who served in Germany during or immediately after World War II. It also might have entered the
collectible marketplace through catalog firms, such as Bannerman’s, who sold obsolete and abandoned
military equipment.
Otto Gahr was a silversmith favored by the Nazi elite. He is recognized for his “death’s head” rings
made for SS members. He is best known for his design for the Chiemsee Cauldron, a 10-kilogram
gold cauldron manufactured in the workshop of Theodore Helden, a Munich jewelry manufacturer.

Chances of you owning one of the “initial” four finials is zero. What you own is one of the mass-
production examples of the 1923 Otto Gahr design. The stock photo website www.alamy.com
offers numerous images of this flagpole finial. The eagle is gold gilded as are the bands around
silvered wreath. There were many variations of this flagpole finial and its eagle. “Deutschland
Erwache” by Ulric of England and Otto Spronk, published by R. James Bender Publishing in May
1997, pictures several of them.
Although the survival rate may be small, there are examples available in fine or better condition.
Admittedly, some may be restored. The secondary market is fluid. I did find examples in fine condition
listed for over $10,000.00. Each was in C8 or better grade condition. Once a seller is aware of high
numbers, it is hard to imagine his/her example is worth less. There were no records for C3 to C5
examples, most likely because there is little to no market for them.
Condition is critical to value. At best, your example is in restorable condition, meaning it has to be
sand blasted, re-silvered, and re-gilded. Collectors will not accept amateur restoration. Restoration
has to be done by a professional.
Selling German National Socialist material is problematic. Many selling sources such as eBay prohibit
listing “Nazi” material. There are more than a dozen specialized internet sellers, such as www.
oakleafmilitaria.com, you might consider approaching. Some gun websites allow the sale of material.
You will achieve the best price if you can find an auction source. If you do opt for the auction route,
make certain the auctioneer reaches an international market and takes online bids. The strongest
market for the Deutschland Erwache flagpole finial is Germany.
If the person who told you it was worth over $10,000.00 was serious, ask him to “put the money
where his mouth is.” Offer it to him for $5,500.00. If he accepts, sell. You have the money. He has
the problem of what to do next.
What is my estimate of the flagpole finial’s secondary market value? Given its condition and my
conservative approach to value, its secondary market value is between $1,250.00 and $1,750.00.
Please email me and let me know how you disposed of the Deutschland Erwache flagpole finial
and what price you did achieve."

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[oldflagswanted]

List additions ...

......Photo confirmed (*) surviving DE list.
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1. SA Eichsfeld, top & box, *IKE Presidential Library display.
2. SA Guben, full std., *OFW, Bender Collection, ex-PP of LA.
3. DE top, no box or other parts, *IWM UK, coll. #30089226.
4. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *SOS 2012, Ex-Gottlieb, show display.
5. SA Wien, *BH, replica cross pole part #5 per OFW guide.
6. SA Brunn, *DHM, replica banner part #8 per OFW parts guide.
7. SA top, NSDAP Box Plate, *HH, 20K Euros, also see post 87.
8. SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, *OFW, Moscow CAFM #917695.
9. SA Hollabrunn, top, box, banner,tassels, *Ex-Joe-W, sold SOS.
10. DE top, *SOS 2018 $32,000.00 USD, asking price at show.
11. DE top, *MAX 2019 $38,750.00 USD, asking price at show.
12. DE top, *SOS 2015 $39,000.00 USD, show asking price, Wolfe.
13. SA across pole & tassel set, *SOS 2015, $15,000 asking, Wolfe.
14. DE top,*SOS 2014, Malcome Fisher, high hole tube base.
15. DE Banner, *OFW, only known, by me, 1923 DE Banner.
16. DE top & Banner, *BL, Melborne Aust. , see post #22.
17. DE top, 2007 dug relic, *HH, partial wreath & swastika.
18. SA Banner, 2016 SOS, *RD, part #5-8 in OFW reference.
19. DE top, 2014 dug relic swastika, *OFW SOS compare.
20. DE top, eagle on cut wreath fragment, *OFW, seen online.
21. DE top, eagle on wreath w/o swastika, *eBay 2004.
22. SA Banner + across pole & tassels & NSDAP Box Plate #50.
23. DE Banner, in relic condition, *HH Auction Munich Germany.
24. DE Banner & top, $44,995, *SOS 2003, 2 hole base tube.
25. DE Banner, top, & tassel set, 2012 Empire Auction, $86K.
26. DE Police Box Plate, *SOS, now in Austrian collection.
27. DE top, *online & WAF, 2009, M-35 top shown on left.
28. DE 1934 Streamer, *OFW, several observed. OFW Pt#10.
29. DE Standard Canvas Cover, *OFW, only known complete.
30. DE top, 2006 *ccsmith, via WAF thread t=151294.
31. SA across pole & tassels, 2012 *HH, parts 5,6,7 OFW Ref.
32. DE Banner, *Ex-Joe-W, sold at SOS to another collector.
33. SS DE Egerland, full standard, parts 1-8, *wolfe, ex-swan.
34. DE Top and Banner, *ex-swan, OFW parts #1 & #8.
35. SA Wien V, top and box, *OFW, parts #1 & #2 per OFW.
36. SA Salzkammergut, full standard, *HH, ex-PP, ~$300K.
37. SA Bodensee, full standard, *online, with partial part #9.
38. SA August Brunotte, *OFW, parts #1,2,,5,6,7,8 per OFW.
39. SA Bliesgau, full standard, *ex-Dick Deeter collection.
40. DE Banner, type 2 embroidered center, *Mohawk Arms.
41. DE Banner, type 3 applique center, *Brannow. Part #8.
42. DE Top & Banner, replica box, *online, Gettysburg Museum.
43. DE Banner, *Sacramento Auction 2016, OFW part #8.
44. DE Banner & top, & tassels, replica box, *Munich Musuem,
45. DE Banner & tassels, *Urlic 1997 Bender book, page 382.
46. SA Box Ambergau, *Lukens/Van Heuvelen, page 383.
47. SA Box Brunn, & top, *Ulric 1997 Bender book, page 387.
48. SA Box Celle Plate, *Ulric 1997 book, pages 387-389.
49. SA Box Hohenbaden, *HH Auction, pages 394-397.
50. SA Box Leipzig II, & top, *R.Wilson, page 398.
51. SS Box Nordbohmen, & top, *R.McCarthy, page 420.
52. SS Box Wurttemberg, & top, *Ulric 1997 book, page 421.
53. DE Banner, *R. Boward, *Ulric 1997 book, page 444.
54. DE top, *Weitze 1991, shown in Ulric 1997 book,page 445.
55. DE top, relic no eagle/swastika, *E.Rundkvist, page 446.
56. DE Banner, marked Statni-Film 6214, *Ulric book, page 447.
57. SA Box Niedenrhein & top, *Joe-W, see post #57 for photo.
58. SA DE Hof, full, *jmb online, see this thread post #70 for photo.
59. DE Banner, across pole, tassels, *OFW online. Israel Museum.
60. SA DE Schlesische Heide, top & box, *rkdek, see p#76 photo.
61. SA DE Banner & brown across pole, *jmb, Lux sold, see p# 92.
62. DE top, tassels, Banner, across-p, replica Berlin box, *EA, p#89.
63. DE top, Banner Statni-Film #8244, *jmb, Mil Plaza, p#92.
64. SS DE Südmähren, full std, *schoenwurf, W&H coll., p#100.
65. DE top, swastika missing, *EA, May 1997 GWGS, $2000 USD.
66. SA across pole & tassels, *Mohawk, parts 5,6,7. $5967 USD.
67. DE Banner, *Centurion Auctions, 2015 sold $11,750 +21%.
68. DE Banner, *RotR, $27K asking price 2014 online.
69. DE top, *dag001, from 2011 WAF t=541397 post #16.
70. DE top, *Rinker Q&A #1553, online blog 2016.
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Current surviving tally count total now at ...
38 eagle tops surviving, 24 NSDAP Boxes, or parts of
boxes existing, as are 20 tassel sets, 18 across poles,
31 hanging type DE Banners. 8 complete DE standards,
1 complete DE cover bag, and 1 partial top section cover
survive.
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(below) Listing 69 & 70, DE tops, *dag001(69), *Rinker blog(70).