Adolf Hitler suicide pistol?

[imi]

The recovered and preserved skull fragment was determined to be female and in her thirties, and likely is Eva Braun's. The hole you indicate could be from a pistol shot, but it's just as likely the hole is from shrapnel, as the Reich Chancellery garden where the bodies were burned was under constant Russian artillery barrage.

I am confident that the skull with a bullet hole, far too regular being a shrapnel hole

[imi]

Guensche was one of them and reported that Hitler had shot himself in the mouth. Thus, a bullet would exit the temple.

This would explain the bullet wound but Rochus Misch sad Hitler shot himself in the temple, a small amount of blood oozing from his temples when they are open and Hitler's head lay on the table, the gun at his foot
This contradicts this photo reenact which is a position of Hitler and Braun after the suicide

[praubal]

Although Otto Günsche never ever discussed it it is quite possible that he, under Hitlers instructions gave the coup de grace...hence Brauns skull .

[JoeW]

Although Otto Günsche never ever discussed it it is quite possible that he, under Hitlers instructions gave the coup de grace...hence Brauns skull .

No. In Trevor-Roper's book, all the eye witnesses reported that Braun's body was carried from the bunker uncovered with no evidence of any bullet wound nor blood. Hitler's body was covered when removed in an attempt to prevent any view of the head wound.

[colt45s]

WEST POINT Museum

[JoeW]

Hitler's presentation Menz, recovered from Munich by a US soldier along with other items in the Hitler Trove, and donated to the West Point Museum by the last owner.

[imi]

Eva Braun.

This gun belongs to Eva Braun: a Deutche Werke Ortigies .25 auto pocket pistol

[sszza2]

Thus far there is no evidence to prove there were eyewitnesses to the actual suicide. Witness statements to the afterwards appear to conflict in some ways. So until a bullet can be provided with Hitlers DNA on it and matched to a weapon that fired it - the pistol used to effect same can never be positively determined. Even then absent other forensic evidence we still wouldn't know who fired the fatal shot and if pre or post mortem. Any evidence less then all this represents nothing more than an interesting exercise in speculation.

That said - if a pistol could be proven to be Hitlers suicide weapon IMO it would at least be the most valuable artifact of the 20th century.

[jujuy]

Another option?
http://yournewswire.com/fbi-hitler-d...ing-admission/

Thus far there is no evidence to prove there were eyewitnesses to the actual suicide. Witness statements to the afterwards appear to conflict in some ways. So until a bullet can be provided with Hitlers DNA on it and matched to a weapon that fired it - the pistol used to effect same can never be positively determined. Even then absent other forensic evidence we still wouldn't know who fired the fatal shot and if pre or post mortem. Any evidence less then all this represents nothing more than an interesting exercise in speculation.

That said - if a pistol could be proven to be Hitlers suicide weapon IMO it would at least be the most valuable artifact of the 20th century.

[JoeW]

Thus far there is no evidence to prove there were eyewitnesses to the actual suicide. Witness statements to the afterwards appear to conflict in some ways. So until a bullet can be provided with Hitlers DNA on it and matched to a weapon that fired it - the pistol used to effect same can never be positively determined. Even then absent other forensic evidence we still wouldn't know who fired the fatal shot and if pre or post mortem. Any evidence less then all this represents nothing more than an interesting exercise in speculation.

That said - if a pistol could be proven to be Hitlers suicide weapon IMO it would at least be the most valuable artifact of the 20th century.

As I wrote in #15 above, there were no eye-witnesses to the suicide of Braun and death of Hitler. The reconstruction of the two by acts was based upon the immediate view of the scene by those waiting outside the room. From the position of the bodies and the comments by Hitler before his act, it was presumed by those viewing the scene that Braun consumed her poison seated next to her husband. Then Hitler used his poison and pistol. If Braun did not have the courage to use her pistol in conjunction with her poison, it would be surprising if she shot Hitler. Moreover there was no blood on Braun that would have occurred from her shooting him. And witnesses entered the room immediately after the pistol shot which would have made it very difficult for Eva to shot him the seat herself and consume her poison before the others entered the chamber.

[herd118]

I am confident that the skull with a bullet hole, far too regular being a shrapnel hole

I'm unsure what evidence you base your confidence on. The recovered skull piece is hardly pristine, and shows evidence of burning and multiple fractures. There is no clear and apparent wound that would indicate a handgun projectile to the exclusion of any other projectile damage.
Based on eyewitness reports, the the bodies were placed in a shell hole near the bunker entrance for burning. Based on the same reports, at the time of the burning, the scene was under artillery bombardment so intense the burial party sought cover at the bunker entrance. It's beyond impossible to determine forensically an accurate interpretation of this sort of debris.

[imi]

I'm unsure what evidence you base your confidence on. The recovered skull piece is hardly pristine, and shows evidence of burning and multiple fractures. There is no clear and apparent wound that would indicate a handgun projectile to the exclusion of any other projectile damage.
Based on eyewitness reports, the the bodies were placed in a shell hole near the bunker entrance for burning. Based on the same reports, at the time of the burning, the scene was under artillery bombardment so intense the burial party sought cover at the bunker entrance. It's beyond impossible to determine forensically an accurate interpretation of this sort of debris.

If you look at the hole in the skull you can see that a circular hole
I have seen many bullet marks, on this point is this is definetly looks like a bullet trail



Such a bullet hole only able to cause leave such a mark much of a shrapnel hole irregular mark
Although I can say only one expert can say it is now an exit hole or an inlet hole, but it sure is a strange place in the skull bottom part of which calls into question whether the skull owns, because if Hitler temple shooting himself be ruled out that the bullet in or exit hole so down
The burn marks probably occurs with burning petrol in the body when the SS burned the dead bodies in the chancellery garden

The fact that Hitler's skull or not this could be a DNA test to decide should be exhume Hitler's parents or his sister may be in order to visit Hitler relatives living in America and Australia for a DNA sampling and the mystery is solved!

[herd118]

The somewhat circular hole is an indication of a projectile, but it is pure conjecture on your part as to what caused it and under what circumstances, and whether post or anti mortem. Again, there was the 2009 DNA test that would seem to rule out the fragment is associated with the remains of Hitler.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8281839.stm

[imi]

The somewhat circular hole is an indication of a projectile, but it is pure conjecture on your part as to what caused it and under what circumstances, and whether post or anti mortem. Again, there was the 2009 DNA test that would seem to rule out the fragment is associated with the remains of Hitler.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8281839.stm

So the skull could be anyone's, but a DNA test from Hitler is dead or alive relatives deciding finally the russians have Hitler remains or not

[herd118]

A DNA test would be superfluous, the Russians recovered the lower jaw of Hitler, and the dental work of Braun. They were examined and have been reported on.
http://www.peertechz.com/Dental-Prob...JDPS-1-103.pdf