David Hiorth

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Machine gun ownership questions.

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    #16
    MG ownership in the US

    No offense to anyone, but with the exception of Bill Grist's post, I've never seen so much misinformation outside of a reenactor's BBS.
    Manufacture and registration of transferrable MGs was halted on May 19, 1986 with the passage of the Firearms' Owners Protection Act. The part of the Act that prohibited adding new MGs to the NFRTR is the Hughes amendment (not the "Dole" amendment...not even sure what the "Dole" amendment is unless it deals with bananas.) As was stated above, the original date of manufacture is irrelevant in regards to the NFRTR (National Firearms' Registry and Transfer Record.) What matters is the date that it was entered into the NFRTR. Since there are no longer any new MGs allowed into the US civilian market, simple economics of supplay and demand have driven prices skyward. Right now, about the cheapest you can realistically get into the machinegun game is for around $2500-3000, and all that will get you is an M11/Nine or MAC 10. Transferrable MG34s are going for +/-$30k, and MG 42s for upwards of $40k these days. As far as blank-only MGs, if it fits the definition of a firearm, and fires either full-auto or from an open bolt, it is a machinegun, even if the barrel will not chamber a live round. (Remember, even deats were required to be registered under the '68 GCA amendments to the '34 NFA.) As far as the transer tax, it still remains at $200, and has not been increased to $600 (or anything else.) Pre-1986, if you wanted to make an MG, it was not much different than building a suppressor or SBR today... you filed a BATF Form 1 and sent it and your $200 off to the NFA branch. When you received your approved Form 1 back you made the gun...no permits required, as Gary Cain said.

    Comment


      #17
      Hi Bill,

      Just wanted to update you on one thing. There actually is a ATF approved non-gun PPSH41 that uses a proprietery blank round. It fires from an open bolt and from what I have seen via video is pretty impressive. I have no idea how the man got it approved and have seen no diagrams of the design as he is keeping it to himself(rightly so I might add). He is offering them to the reenactor community for around 2000 per piece. He is currently working on a MP40. I think the web site is ss room or some such.


      Gary




      Originally posted by Bill in VA
      No offense to anyone, but with the exception of Bill Grist's post, I've never seen so much misinformation outside of a reenactor's BBS.
      Manufacture and registration of transferrable MGs was halted on May 19, 1986 with the passage of the Firearms' Owners Protection Act. The part of the Act that prohibited adding new MGs to the NFRTR is the Hughes amendment (not the "Dole" amendment...not even sure what the "Dole" amendment is unless it deals with bananas.) As was stated above, the original date of manufacture is irrelevant in regards to the NFRTR (National Firearms' Registry and Transfer Record.) What matters is the date that it was entered into the NFRTR. Since there are no longer any new MGs allowed into the US civilian market, simple economics of supplay and demand have driven prices skyward. Right now, about the cheapest you can realistically get into the machinegun game is for around $2500-3000, and all that will get you is an M11/Nine or MAC 10. Transferrable MG34s are going for +/-$30k, and MG 42s for upwards of $40k these days. As far as blank-only MGs, if it fits the definition of a firearm, and fires either full-auto or from an open bolt, it is a machinegun, even if the barrel will not chamber a live round. (Remember, even deats were required to be registered under the '68 GCA amendments to the '34 NFA.) As far as the transer tax, it still remains at $200, and has not been increased to $600 (or anything else.) Pre-1986, if you wanted to make an MG, it was not much different than building a suppressor or SBR today... you filed a BATF Form 1 and sent it and your $200 off to the NFA branch. When you received your approved Form 1 back you made the gun...no permits required, as Gary Cain said.

      Comment


        #18
        MGs

        Hi Gary. I'm sort of familiar with SSRoom's PPSH non-gun, and know that it fires full-auto from an open bolt, but the key difference is that it does not fit the definition of a firearm. As you stated, it uses a prprietary blank (just like the old MGC plug-fire non-guns did), and doesn't accept a majority of the critical PPSH MG parts. AFAIK though, only a few have been produced, and as great aboon as it may be for reenactors, right now it looks like production is falling short of projected expectations. (I'm also a reenactor, FWIW, but with the price of transferrable MGs, I leave my Thompson at home.)

        Comment


          #19
          Hi Bill,

          Actually I think it uses no parts of the PPSH. As you noted pruduction is slow! I havn't reenacted for almost two years now(restoring an old house) but like you when the price of my transferables got to such heights I left them at home and went semi.

          Gary




          Originally posted by Bill in VA
          Hi Gary. I'm sort of familiar with SSRoom's PPSH non-gun, and know that it fires full-auto from an open bolt, but the key difference is that it does not fit the definition of a firearm. As you stated, it uses a prprietary blank (just like the old MGC plug-fire non-guns did), and doesn't accept a majority of the critical PPSH MG parts. AFAIK though, only a few have been produced, and as great aboon as it may be for reenactors, right now it looks like production is falling short of projected expectations. (I'm also a reenactor, FWIW, but with the price of transferrable MGs, I leave my Thompson at home.)

          Comment


            #20
            Dole Amendment

            BIll,

            Thanks for jumping in and trying to clear up some of the incorrect information in this thread.

            As to the so-called "Dole Amendment", I'm not sure what these guys may be talking about. I do know, however, that years ago (post-May,1986) then-Senator Bob Dole (R-KS) offered an amendment to the NFA that would allow for a permanent on-going amnesty registration provision. The general gist of Sen. Dole's proposal was that if a person in possession of an unregistered NFA item was not then under arrest or indictment for the unlawful possession of that item (and otherwise had a clean record), he/she could simply fill out a Form 1 and register the gun.

            Sadly, Sen. Dole's amendment never became law.

            Comment


              #21
              MGs

              You're right Alan. To be honest, I'd all but forgotten about then-Senator Dole's proposal.

              Comment

              Users Viewing this Thread

              Collapse

              There is currently 1 user online. 0 members and 1 guests.

              Most users ever online was 10,032 at 08:13 PM on 09-28-2024.

              Working...
              X