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    SA dagger

    Hi

    Just picked up this more than nice SA dagger, look at the black letters on the black, unfortunately the previous owner, was a heavy smoker, therefore the metal could do with a clean up (any suggestions with what to use, if anything?)

    I bought the dagger from an 70 years old man, who got it from his father, the father bought it in Germany in 1938 when he was there on holiday with his wife, the story goes, that he had to pay more for the dagger, because they where not supposed to sell to foreigners due to the government funding

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    Søren / Dk Hunter
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      #3
      Looks to be a very nice dagger and I would definitely not clean it.

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        #4
        Odd gau stamp.
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          Odd ?

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          What is Odd about it ?
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          Søren

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            #6
            very odd indeed. just compare it to others

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              #7
              Hi Soren,

              Thanks for sharing this piece with us. As has already been said, this piece has an "odd" aspect to it, namely as to the font of the SA-Gruppe code die-stamped to the reverse of the reverse lower crossguard. The "Sa" found there indicates that this piece was from among the earliest daggers ordered for all SA members in late 1933 and that this piece was sold to a member who was part of SA Group Sachsen. That being said, the die-stamping on this crossguard is in a font not normally used for this purpose by the many dagger manufacturers; the usual font was in simple sans-serif letters. This piece seems to have all of the other expected traits of a first-order SA Standard Service Dagger, so I am puzzled by the presence of this odd font used for the SA-Gruppe code??

              The story told to you by the person who sold you this piece is an interesting one. Normally anyone who wanted to purchase uniform parts for an SA, NSKK or any other NSDAP political organization needed to prove that he was entitled to wear those uniform parts by showing his membership documentation. And again, this individual dagger appears to have been sold to an SA member who lived in SA Group Saxony. There are all sorts of possibilities which could have happened after this piece was released from the factory. For example, perhaps this was not an original-order dagger at all, but a piece made for secondary/followup daggers sales? Pieces made with the same materials and care continued to be produced by the factories for the next three or four years before the solid hardware was changed to plated; the only difference between these secondary pieces and those of the first orders was the absence of the SA-Gruppe code stamped to the reverse lower crossguard. If this piece was of secondary origin, then perhaps someone went to the trouble of trying to make it look like an original-order piece but did not have the proper font of dies with which to stamp it...so they used the closest font they had at hand? Possible...??

              I do not discredit the story told to you as being untrue, though it may have had other origins. I certainly do NOT believe that no illegal activity took place in Nazi Germany, nor that persons involved with the cutlery industry as well as the retailing of NSDAP uniform parts were above taking bribes and selling articles "out the back door" of their shops! I have no doubt that anyone willing to pay 'extra' to obtain an SA dagger could find someone willing to take his money and provide him with whatever he wanted. This could have been the way this piece was able to be purchased by an unauthorized person back in the 1930s.

              Do we presume that the person's father was from Denmark when he purchased this dagger in Germany? The DNSAP -- the National Socialist Workers' Party of Denmark -- came into existence in 1930 and it continued through the German occupation right up until the war's end in 1945. While I am not versed in the details of the DNSAP, it is at least possible that a version of the SA existed in Denmark since that Party's beginning and that a member of the Danish SA may have wanted to purchase an SA dagger while visiting in Germany in the later 1930s... Such a lot of possibilities, and many more than just these!

              And lastly, the only thing I would do toward cleaning the nicotine from this piece would be to give it a quick wipe-down with mild soap and water, drying it fully thereafter. While "patina" is a good thing when dealing with bronze statuary and with furniture, I do not believe that decades of verdigris left on an artifact from hanging in a 'man cave' becomes an essential part of the piece in question!

              Hope these thoughts are helpful. A Happy Easter to you,

              Br. James

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                #8
                Hi Søren,
                congrats on your new acquisition. Don't worry about the Gau mark.
                This Gau mark with the big A, is a known and rarer version.

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                  Originally posted by Rheingold View Post
                  Hi Søren,
                  congrats on your new acquisition. Don't worry about the Gau mark.
                  This Gau mark with the big A, is a known and rarer version.
                  I'll second that. Such capital letters in the group stamp of Saxony did exist. Looks odd, but it's period

                  And please don't clean this dagger! Keep it as it is with all the dirt on it!

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