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**JR.** · 11-07-2013, 12:00 AM

If any members have any questions on the Gau marked SS chain daggers, please contact any of the following:

Paul
Billy
Wags
Craig H
Witty
TJ
Bob
Eddie
Michael
Dr
Bernie
Emil
myself,
and I can refer you to a couple hundred more advanced SS edged
weapon collectors if you still have any further question on the
Legitimatcy of them.

And if you need further information on rotten zinc crossguard theory,
Fred will be the one that can help you out on that.

My final word on this thread until the subject comes up again
on another day.

Thank you,

JR

**Rheingold** · 11-07-2013, 08:16 AM

This dagger in question is fine.

.I saw a few of these Gau marked out of the weeds.A member here from Austria owns also one of these, straight out of the vet's family and stored in a 'coffee box'. I'm sure they are also shown in Ralf's reference, but i'll check it when i'm back.

**james m** · 11-07-2013, 08:32 AM

This is one of those "arguments" that keeps going round and round. In spite of all the evidence supporting the originality of these Gau marked daggers there are those that remain contrary.
This reminds me of another point of contention with SS daggers and that's the old argument that the only legit Himmler examples by Eickhorn have a serrated tail. Again there is a great amount(overwhelming) of evidence that the smooth tail examples are also 100% legit. but there are still a few that argue otherwise.
But then again I saw a posting elsewhere by someone claiming the "benchmark" found on these daggers is in fact a serial number! Old misinformation can be difficult to displace!

Jim

**Frogprince** · 11-07-2013, 01:11 PM

Paul made a very insightful statement that I think can cut both ways:

Originally posted by lakesidetrader View Post

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As someone taught me long ago, "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still..."

And I have some other things to do today, and don’t really want to unnecessarily prolong this discussion. But it is bringing to mind the fairly well entrenched dealer / collector owners / other “Hühnlein believers”. And that discussion which went on for a very long time. So I will address just briefly the “coffee can” dagger which was at the beginning of the GDC thread.

Picture # 5 shows it with a M 1933 that has what looks like a regular length wood grip. But the M 1936 looks shorter. In # 2 and # 7 it still looks shorter, and in the closeups # 6 and # 8 it’s very evident (to me at least) that the grip has been shortened, and does not look like the example I posted as being well fitted. With the shortening that I've seen sometimes with some of the other “Gau” types - which I attributed to possibly an attempt at some point in time to try and conceal the chipping and broken off pieces from force fitting. (But that's just my interpretation of what I saw in those images from my perspective). Fred

BTW: TW’s opinion (theory) as I understand it is that some Röhm daggers were returned to the factory (or factories) making the M 1936 daggers. And the parts were salvaged and tossed in a bin(?). And then reassembled in about 1937 and maybe even a little later (?) with new “Type I” daggers. Not that it’s related, but he has another theory that seems to be facing an uphill battle.

http://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbth...=289973&page=1

**Rheingold** · 11-07-2013, 01:14 PM

One is shown in Ralf's SS Book on page 388, He Gaumarked.

Regards,

**DR DOLCH** · 11-07-2013, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Frogprince View Post

Paul made a very insightful statement that I think can cut both ways:

And I have some other things to do today, and don’t really want to unnecessarily prolong this discussion. But it is bringing to mind the fairly well entrenched dealer / collector owners / other “Hühnlein believers”. And that discussion which went on for a very long time. So I will address just briefly the “coffee can” dagger which was at the beginning of the GDC thread.

Picture # 5 shows it with a M 1933 that has what looks like a regular length wood grip. But the M 1936 looks shorter. In # 2 and # 7 it still looks shorter, and in the closeups # 6 and # 8 it’s very evident (to me at least) that the grip has been shortened, and does not look like the example I posted as being well fitted. With the shortening that I've seen sometimes with some of the other “Gau” types - which I attributed to possibly an attempt at some point in time to try and conceal the chipping and broken off pieces from force fitting. (But that's just my interpretation of what I saw in those images from my perspective). Fred

BTW: TW’s opinion (theory) as I understand it is that some Röhm daggers were returned to the factory (or factories) making the M 1936 daggers. And the parts were salvaged and tossed in a bin(?). And then reassembled in about 1937 and maybe even a little later (?) with new “Type I” daggers. Not that it’s related, but he has another theory that seems to be facing an uphill battle.

http://forum.germandaggers.com/ubbth...=289973&page=1

The DJ/BDM knife is a completely different subject with a completely different set of opinions .

**mightymouse** · 11-07-2013, 01:57 PM

Ok, whatever. Can someone just give me a value in £ so I can sell for a good price for the family. The none believer need not give a valuation!!

**Reibert-Austria** · 11-07-2013, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Rheingold View Post

... .A member here from Austria owns also one of these, straight out of the vet's family and stored in a 'coffee box'. I'm sure they are also shown in Ralf's reference, but i'll check it when i'm back.

http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/ss-die...-1936-a-19885/

http://www.militaria-fundforum.de/sh...light=Gaumarke

**BobI** · 11-07-2013, 04:13 PM

Some of these discussions remind me of my days doing rotations in the psychiatric ward. I don't care for any disciplinary actions so I will keep away from the 1 member of the Flinstone family and his stone age beliefs shared by one other.
Bob

**Frogprince** · 11-07-2013, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by DR DOLCH View Post

The DJ/BDM knife is a completely different subject with a completely different set of opinions .

I see the point you are trying to make, but I'm afraid that is not quite right. On the left hand we have an opinion from somebody who is trying to sell something as a period artifact. And on the right hand, opinions from predominately specialists in the area. But there is nothing in the way of an opinion with things like the actions of the OKH, the bombing raid, the period photos and the multiple examples of period documentation. Fred

**The Red Baron** · 11-07-2013, 05:20 PM

since you're not going to by this "parts piece" Fred, maybe you should visit some threads on AD Royster's forum. He may really think you have something. As for us, "us" being the entire active community in SS blades, we are set in our erroneous ways like you and thus you shouldn't waste any more time on this thread.

If you ever find a someone selling these as a parts pieces at corresponding prices please contact me immediately. Thanks!

**BobI** · 11-07-2013, 05:29 PM

Wait a minute, I though I was the only one happy to buy these pieces? We may have some fights coming up

!

**Steve C** · 11-07-2013, 05:40 PM

The poor guy only wants a valuation and ended up with this discussion, so I will put a value on it of £2.5k, if the blade cleans up a little possibly a little more.

Regards
Steve C

**james m** · 11-07-2013, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by BobI View Post

Wait a minute, I though I was the only one happy to buy these pieces? We may have some fights coming up

!

Hey Bob:
I don't think the seller is going to take "no stinkin Pesos" as payment!!

Jim

**DR DOLCH** · 11-07-2013, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Steve C View Post

The poor guy only wants a valuation and ended up with this discussion, so I will put a value on it of £2.5k, if the blade cleans up a little possibly a little more.

Regards
Steve C

The blade needs to be cleaned for an accurate value.Do not polish it with semi-chrome or anything else.Do not clean anything else on the dagger.I would use alcohol on a clean cloth .Then a couple of drops of gun oil.You could also just wipe it off.If the blade is nice with no defects I would say $4000.00-$5000.00.The blade condition is the most important part of the dagger.

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