Hello folks. Found this this week at the local flea market. I believe this type of dress bayonet which closely resembles the actual 84/98 combat model is / was designated as a "Pioneer" model, but please correct me if I'm mistaken. The blade was unfortunately sharpened LONG ago, but considering as though I virtually NEVER see this style of dress bayonet, I don't consider it as huge a detriment as I would were it extant on a more common dress bayonet type. The scabbard is also incorrect, being a standard steel combat model but seeing as these dress scabbards are never sn'd, it'd be easy enough to swap out w/ another. Please let me know if I'm correct in my assumption that this is indeed an engineers model, or just a less frequently seen variation. By the way, the maker is Puma / Solingen, and the overall condition (apart from the sharpening), is "good" w/ some spotty lifting of the plating to the hilt and pommel, but un-damaged grip scales and w/ functioning press-stud. Thanks in advance!
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Close up of the tang / back-strap...please excuse the out-of-focus shot. -
Looks ok to me, I would describe it as a Pioneer dress bayonet as you do. I posted one that I had and some members dont consider them as just for pioneers.
Regards NeilOriginally posted by Milton View PostComment
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Thanks Jenko. All I can say is that I virtually NEVER see this type, and if memory serves, I've seen them id'd in reference material as having been primarily worn by Pioneer troops as walking-out / dress sidearms. Thx! Milto.Comment
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Milton,
These were marketed by some makers as "Pioneer" bayonets but they are really the dress version of the S84/98. Look closely at the guard and make certain the plating covers the end where the guard extension would normally be. Many fakes have been made of these by grinding off the guards and/or the pommels. Who is the maker?Comment
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Thanks for writing. Yes, I examined it pretty closely and it's most certainly in its original configuration. The pommel is obviously vastly different from the standard "bird pommel" configurations, so it really couldn't be faked from one of those. Too bad the blade got sharpened, but I figure the scarcity of this type will off set this somewhat. Thanks again for commenting!Comment
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Milt,
Looks like a correct configuration for the so-called Pioneer model dress bayonet but as has been said, always check the plating on the spot where a crossguard normally would be. Many have been "made" out of examples with broken crossguards.
George,
Looks like a late(r) model example by Puma, cat with the diamond logo.Comment
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I was looking for one of these at the SOS. I only came across 3-4 and none of them were in the condition I wanted. They must be getting hard to find.Comment
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Hi Billy. Yes, it is a Puma w/ cat in diamond logo. As for one of these being made out of a "standard" dress bayonet, I'm not sure how this could be accomplished due to the totally different pommel configurations (the "birds head" pommel is completely different than the contour of the 84/98 bayonet), hence I don't think it'd be an easy thing to fake (if at all) from a standard configuration dress bayonet w/a broken cross-guard. As for scarcity, I can honestly say this is the first one I've ever come across. Thx again for your comments!Comment
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Milt,
There is a Pioneer variant that has the same pommel that's on a standard KS98 dress bayonet. That's what I was referring to in general. The type with full bird pommel sans crossguard is fairly rare.Comment
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Here are two Eickhorns, a blunt beak with the 35-41 seated squirrel TN and the full bird with the double oval serrated tail TM.
JohnComment
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Hi John. Thx for the post. I'd be interested in seeing a close up of the cross guard on the bird head example. From the angle of the photograph it appears very square. An example w/ birds-head pommel sans down-swept cross-guard from the factory must be rare as hens teeth! I can honestly say I've never seen one before. Thx again for the comments.Comment
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Nice score Milton! These things are rather hard to come by.
Here are a few pics of all 4 variations..... Notice the two full-bird pommels on the left. The short bladed one is especially hard to find.
The makers are (from left) Carl Julius Krebs - C. Gustav Spitzer - Unmarked - E ü F Hörster.
Also, I just recently sold a short/clipped Emil Voos and a long/clipped 35-41 Eickhorn.Comment
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Those are beautiful pieces,I have an unmarked pioneer.John
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Nice bayo's guys! Thanks for posting! I'll have to keep my eyes open as I've never come across a birds-head pommel w/ factory "short" guard but nice to know they were indeed produced. Too bad the blade got hit w/ the grinder on mine, but I figure it's still a decent example if someone wants one w/o having to pay a premium price for better condition. Thanks again for your posts!Comment
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