Help with sword & hunting dagger

[Jimmy]

These two items are being offered to me and I need to id the sword and any ideas on pricing on both would help. Just ball park.

[Jimmy]

Hunting dagger

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[James N.]

Of course the double-headed eagle on the sword looks Russian. A full-length picture of it might help, especially since in this area as in all other collectables it's CONDITION, CONDITION, CONDITION! At first, I thought this was a U.S. sword ( until I looked at the counterguard! ), because of its similarity to the M.1821 infantry officer's sword. This type of smallsword, usually mis-identified as a court sword, is generally misunderstood by the average collector. European examples like this were usually worn in what is called undress - as opposed to full dress - instead of the bulky cavalry-type saber or heavier foot officer's sword, especially when NOT on mounted duty. Remember that according to most regulations an officer was ALWAYS to be "under arms", so lightweight straight-bladed, often non-regulation examples such as this probably is were favored whenever possible. I have a number of French examples like this in my collection, and they tend to date ca. 1820's - 1870's; though they could be even more recent. Because they're NOT combat sabres and as I noted are generally under-appreciated, there seems to be relatively little interest in or demand for them, so their prices usually reflect this fact.

[rajko84]

can you post more pictures of the blade of the sword. There are a lot of eagles which are double headed (Russian,Serbian,Yugoslavian,Albanian...)
But what I can see I do not think right now that that is a russian eagle.
with more pictures of the blade and the rest of the sword I can tell you with certainty.
regards Rajko

[Jimmy]

Sword

I'm not the owner yet so this the only picture I have.

[Saufaenger kid]

I would say from the picture of the hunting hirschfänger that it is original but in only average condition. I would need to see the grip emblem to be sure.

Gary

[Jimmy]

More Pictures of hunting dagger

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[Jimmy]

One more

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[rajko84]

did you get any more pictures of the sword?

[Jimmy]

Sword

No , but the owner seems to think its Austrian. From his reserch. His quote

"sword appears to be from the period of the Emperor Franz Joseph I of Austria (1848-1916). Although the eagle appearing on the sword is not the traditional type used by the Austrian Army it still features the Austrian Empire double headed eagle. As shown in the photo, the shield bears a “F I” crest or logo. This logo was known to have been used by Franz Joseph but normally appeared a FJI. Still sword makers frequently used their own ideas when making a weapon. This sword still needs research, but that would be my guess"

I have no idea.

[Saufaenger kid]

If the scabbard leather is green then the hunting dagger is good, has it any makers mark, might be a holler?.

Gary

[Jimmy]

Dagger

I didn't get the swoed, the other pearl handle was missing.
I did however get the Hunting dagger. Its a Clemen & Jung .