Unknown säbel, opinions please!

[Mathias1703]

Hello,


I got this nice Säbel yesterday from the family, but I don´t know what it is!

Opinions are welcome.........


thanks,


Mathias

[mbberlin]

No markings?

Look here: http://www.armesanciennes.fr/index.php?id=41

[GD/LW]

Aren't there any markings on the backside of the sabre. Any markings like written "chatellerault and a date" ? I think it's a French one, but than it must have those markings.

[Mathias1703]

Thaks Guys....


the säbel is mm "Eisenhauer" and G. Behm& Co"

I will show you more pics in a minute........



Mathias

[Mathias1703]

[mbberlin]

BTW.: Johann-Peter Eisenhauer (1722-1802) who founded the manufactury was the grand-grand-grand-father of the later US president General Eisenhower.

The have also produced for Switzerland. May be a "joint venture" with "Behm"?

[mbberlin]

Nederlandse Indisch Leger?

Dutch officers sabre?

M 1852? http://www.veilingopbrengsten.nl/Web...n/jpg_1015.htm

[Mathias1703]

Thanks a lot......


I´ve asked a friend of mine about the säbel and he told me, it´s a France or Belgium officers kavallerie säbel.

I would like to sell the säbel but I have no idea about the value.

it´s not so easy.....

Mathias

[Mathias1703]

Nederlandse Indisch Leger?

Dutch officers sabre?

M 1852? http://www.veilingopbrengsten.nl/Web...n/jpg_1015.htm

Yes, very nice......this is possible!

many thanks

[GD/LW]

No, certainly not a Belgium or French cavalry sabre. It's very much different and it doesn't has markings for Belgium or French.
It's definitely a German sabre, Bayerisch. I'm 100% sure.

[mbberlin]

It's definitely a German sabre, Bayerisch. I'm 100% sure.

Why?

[GD/LW]

It's a German maker and Eisenhauer is typical for Bayeren. But the text explains that he was in de Nederlands Indische Army. So I believe it was an officer or NCO from Bayeren serving in the Dutch Army.

[Tiger 1]

Interesting sword. I don't have my refeences at hand but this sword may be an export model made in Solingen for foreign customers.

'Eisenhauer' was a quality mark on some Imperial era German made blades. It is not a makers or distributors name. It was not solely used on Bavarian edged weapons. Various other German kingdoms, duchies, principalities as well as blades made for export will sometimes show this designation. This mark will be found on both carbon steel as well as damascus blades.

'Eisenhauer' roughly translates to 'Iron (or Steel) cutter' suggesting that the blade has these qualities. Certainly a clever way to adverstise a best quality blade.

Tony

[Frogprince]

As Tony stated, “Iron Cutter” was supposed to connote quality often being seen on export models. German makers at times made swords and other edged weapons for the U.S., French, Dutch, Russians and a number of other countries.

That said: From the images posted without the blade and overall dimensions for comparison purposes it involves some guessing. But my sense of it is that with the smaller knuckle bow it has a vaguely French look of that for an Infantry Officer. With the polished horn (?) grip being very typical of later 19th (and some early 20th) century French swords.

PS: While the Germans at times used captured French swords, they also made direct copies of some models. But this does not look like one of the ones that I am familiar with. Although I do admit to having a bias towards Prussian swords, having not paid as much attention to some of the other German states. FP

[dag001]

Wouldn't a closer translation of Eisenhauer be "Hewer of Iron" or "Iron Hewer"?