SA Dagger Info

[Jack T]

As those of you who have read my other threads know, I'm trying to identify a trunk full of items left to me by my grandfather, a WW II veteran. I was hoping to get some help from the forum members on this dagger.

After looking at some of the other threads I'm pretty sure this is a SA dagger. Can anyone tell me the details about the dagger and what the small script says?

thank you,

Jack T

[Jack T]

Still learning how to use my camera.

[Jack T]

side 1

[Jack T]

side 2

[Jack T]

maker's mark:
ANTON
WINGEN Jr.

SOLINGEN

and then the letters He on the pommel.

[Colorado]

Hi:

Nice SA you have inherited. Anton Wingen is a quality early maker. Alles Fur Deutschland means Everything for Germany. The He is actually on the lower crossguard. "He" stands for the district of Hessen, Germany (Frankfurt is the main city).

[Skipper Greenwade]

Looks like Colorado filled you in on the details...thanks!

Let me add my congratulations - great, untouched, vet-acquired dagger. Just the way you dream of seeing them. Please don't clean it!

What else did you get from your grandfather? At any rate, you're of to a good start!

Best,
Skip

[Wood]

I'm no expert on daggers but is this an erased Rohm?
Regards
Wood

[Colorado]

Yes, it appears to be a "name only" ground Rohm. A closer photo would be needed for sure to see if it is correct.

[Jack T]

Thank you Colorado for the information.

Wood and Colorado: I'm guessing the Rohm part is the small script. Here are two more pictures of that section:

Skipper Greenwade: I'm still trying to figure out what is in the trunk. Lots of stuff but I'm having a hard time figuring out what is US and what is German. My grandfather was career military. So far the guys on the forum have helped me identify a SA belt and a FJ helmet. There is at least one more dagger that I'm sure is German. I'll post pics of it when I get a chance.

Questions:
1) You said not to clean it. How do I take care of it? The blade has several discolored streaks on it from I'm guessing coming in and out of the scabbard.

2) What is the value of this? I do not wish to sell it but just wanted an idea of how much it is worth.

Thanks all,
Jack T

[Jack T]

2nd pic

[Jack T]

Thought you might find this interesting. This was with the daggers. My grandfather was Major Edmund Holland during the war. He was in the 777th AAA.

[Colorado]

The value is dependent on so many factors. Some SA dagger collectors like name only ground Rohms. A full Rohm can run $5000 now adays. Take off the "Ernst Rohm" part which yours had done and away goes about $4000. It is still worth double or more what a normal SA would cost. Condition of the blade etc. could move it up or down in value.

[J Temple-West]

Hi Jack, nice SA Rohm Honour dagger.. Just a little more information on the 'Rhom' dedication... Your dagger is the same in every respect to the standard service dagger, except for the addition of an acid-etched dedication on the reverse of the blade which reads " In herzlicher Freundshaft Ernst Rohm" (In cordial Comradeship, Ernst Rohm)... After Rohm's falling out with and assassination by the 'Party' on June 30, 1934 an order was given that all Inscriptions were to be obliterated or the dagger destroyed... Examples are still found with complete or partial inscriptions, such as your's, probably due to a compromise being made...

Your Grandfather has done you proud and has left you a very nice piece.. Look after It and as Skip says" don't clean It." a gentle rub with a soft cloth should do the trick...

Hope this helps...

[Jack T]

Thank you for the responses and for the advice. So clean only with a dry soft cloth?