SA Dagger Victor Lutze inscription help

[MAL]

Hi

Can anyone recognise the inscription on this SA dagger, it reads "IN TREUER KAMERADSCHAFT VICTOR LUTZE". Was this a standard inscription or something special. The only thing is the letter font doesn't look German. Also what would a dagger inscribed like this be worth.

Mal

[MAL]

Dose anyone now anything about this inscription, good or bad.

Mal

[Wim Vangossum]

I assume this is one example of the endless list of fantasy -pieces.

Regards, Theo

[Anthony N]

Have you any photos of the rest of the dagger?
Might be a real dagger with this added to make it seem more desirable or as stated above it might be a complete fantasy piece.
Ant.

[Tor-Helge Y]

Hi,
In my opinion only an in-hand inspection can tell if such an inscription is original.

Cheers,

[MAL]

Thanks all

More pictures added, I believe it's an original dagger.

Mal

[Anthony N]

Thanks for the photos Mal.
The grip & crossguards look fine.
Picture of the blade isn't that good but if i was being critical i would say it looks less aged than the rest of the dagger. Also, it may just be the photo angle but the Alles fur....inscription doesn't look quite straight.
As someone before said it really is one that needs to be in hand.
Any further pictures of the blade would be helpful.
Sorry i couldn't be more certain.
Ant.

[Bob Coleman]

Advanced & Veteran Collector Bob Moses Had A Dagger With The Identical Inscription. It Was Housed In A Custom Made Case Which Also Held The Owner's 2nd Pattern Blood Order And His Other Militar Decorations. The Owner Was An Austrian S A Sturmbannfuhrer Who Was A Oberfeldwebel In A Gebersjaeger Unit During The War.it Was A Great Grouping Including Photos Of The Owner In Both S A And Army Uniform. It Was Interesting To See An Army Nco Wearing The Blood Order Ribbon On His Uniform. Tbob Quit Collecting A Few Years Back And His Marvelous Collection Is Now Scattered To The Four Winds.

[Wim Vangossum]

The dagger itself is good. Concerning the inscription: Every serious collector who will pay the price for such a piece demanding a background history going back to the veteran who found this dagger or at least the previous collection which this dagger came from. If not only a few higly specialized dagger collectors could give you provenance that this inscription could be original! Most of the time these things are sold for a price higher than a common SA-dagger but not even close to the price of a real presentation piece.

Regards, Theo

[MAL]

Thanks

Better pictures added, unfortunately this dagger came from auction and I dought if there was any provenance but I will ask. As it is any help with a price.

Mal

[Anthony N]

New pictures are great Mal
At least you're getting a lot of photography practice in.
Blade looks fine on the new pics, nice condition original SA.
That's all i now really, previous advice on the inscription sounds good.
Ant.

[MAL]

Well I am lost now, I really would like to buy this one but there are for's and against and at £800 it's a lot to lose, But if original a lot to gain, there must be someone who knows for sure.
It came from auction and has no real provenance unfortunately.

Mal

[Erich B.]

You couldn't go wrong at $800.00 but for £800.00, I recommend you walk away. This is 99.99% a fantasy piece, IMO (I would say 100%, but I'm not omnicient). As noted, the dagger is likely fine, but the blade has been enhanced and it looks like the scabbard has been repainted. The style of lettering is not a common one for the Lutze period and the scale of the lettering is wrong, again IMO, for the size of the blade and signature.
Erich