Luft/Army dagger portepee

[GELIS44]

This is a basic question but I don't know the answer.
Why are Army and Luft portepees not tied in the same manner?

Thanks.

[JR.]

Cause one has a 43 cm cord and the other a 23 cm cord. You would have to be Houdini to make that Luft portapee streach in the tie of an Army

[JR.]

L1

[JR.]

A1

[GELIS44]

Cause one has a 43 cm cord and the other a 23 cm cord. You would have to be Houdini to make that Luft portapee streach in the tie of an Army

Guys I'm not that ignorant!!
There has to be a reason Luft daggers didn't use
43 cm knots!! Would the chord slip off the bottom
the luft crossguard? Luft's are curved downwards!!
Thanks.

[GELIS44]

Guys???

[JR.]

You can ask the same question on why they didn't use the same pommels, blades, or scabbard on both the Luft and Army daggers and it would be the same as the portapee question. They utilized a different tie, hence they used a different knot.

[Larry Lipps]

They did it because that's what regulations told them to do. They were probably intentionally designed differently because they were separate branches of the military.

[GELIS44]

You can ask the same question on why they didn't use the same pommels, blades, or scabbard on both the Luft and Army daggers and it would be the same as the portapee question. They utilized a different tie, hence they used a different knot.

They did't use the same parts because each design was differnt for each branch. That makes sense. What doesn't is the fact Navy dagger knots were tired in a similair fashion to Army ones. I'm trying to get to the reason behind the way the knots were tied on Luft's. You would think they would be the same for all three branches. This is just an observation I've made. If anyone has some hard facts lets see them. One reason that I've stated before is how the crossguard on the luft curves downward. The knot may have slipped off.

[Skipper Greenwade]

...Navy dagger knots were tired in a similair fashion to Army ones.

Obviously you've never tried to put a knot on a Navy dagger

Skip

[GELIS44]

Obviously you've never tried to put a knot on a Navy dagger

Skip

Your right!!!
I just looked at how they are tied and now I see difference.
But in my defense, it's still tied around the top!!

[JR.]

You'll loose your religion before you get a Navy portapee tied........... Skip is absolutely right. I have seen Luft daggers that did have an Army portapeed tied on them and have seen Armies that had a Luft portapee tied on those as well. The regulations of the the armed forces had strict guidelines on the wearing of the dagger, who could use portapees, how they were to be tied etc. They weren't always adhered to, but none the less the rules and regulations were set forth and in period print. On a side note, a Navy portapee and an Army are not the same. If you ever managed to get a reef knot tied with a standard Army portapee on to a Navy dagger, you would probably have to cut an inch or 2 off the grip in order to get the correct tie on it.........

[geopop71]

Portepees

How about this? I once looked at a militaria web site that had several Army Daggers for sale. They all stated that the port-a-potty was tied "correctly"
but all three were tied completely differant! One had the right porty but was wrapped around the bottom of the pommel several times like the Luft
dagger, no knot on the top! I think I know the "correct" way, any pics of the "correct" way? And who says so?
geopop

[Scott C.]

"port-a-potty"

I believe 1st-type Luft daggers had a different wrap at some point; early-on going around the arms of the crossguard and criss-crossing in the back. Then later, just around the lower part of the handle like 2nd-model Luft daggers have. Either way, most always using the short knots.

Scott