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    #31
    Hallo Andrej

    You say: "I searched for the documents. It 's true, the visors of the Militaer verwaltungs beamten were made in the same manner as for the HV officials and the band only was graublau (like Beamten a.K.). The graublau color differences are sometimes considerable".

    Excellent documentary source and excellent portraits .

    In summary, we should therefore conclude, if I understand well, that the General of picture 21 was a Kriegsverwaltungschef (or his deputy) and the officers of the images 27 were two kriegsdauer, equivalent to field officer (left) and company officer (right). Please, correct me if am wrong. With regards to the General of image 22 I'm seriously in doubt because, as I wrote you, the photo is taken from a distance and it is difficult to see the details and determine the color tones of the accessories.

    Marcello

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      #32
      Originally posted by enorepap View Post
      Hallo Andrej

      You say: "I searched for the documents. It 's true, the visors of the Militaer verwaltungs beamten were made in the same manner as for the HV officials and the band only was graublau (like Beamten a.K.). The graublau color differences are sometimes considerable".

      Excellent documentary source and excellent portraits .

      In summary, we should therefore conclude, if I understand well, that the General of picture 21 was a Kriegsverwaltungschef (or his deputy) and the officers of the images 27 were two kriegsdauer, equivalent to field officer (left) and company officer (right). Please, correct me if am wrong. With regards to the General of image 22 I'm seriously in doubt because, as I wrote you, the photo is taken from a distance and it is difficult to see the details and determine the color tones of the accessories.

      Marcello
      Hallo!
      Nein, nicht ganz korrekt ))
      21 und 27 sind die Beamten der Militaerverwaltung
      Anbei 3 Portraits von Beamten a.K.
      Schirmmuetzen sind gleich wie (21 und 27), Kragenspiegel und Schulterstuecke anders
      Gruss
      Andrej
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        #33
        Eine sehr grobe Zusammenstellung der Effekte
        (es gab Dutzende Farbabweichungen und Macharten)
        1-3 - Beamter Militaerverwaltung
        4-6 - Beamter Heeresverwalung, a.K.
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          #34
          Good. Now with these three beautiful portraits and with your beautiful panel of the insignia and shoulder straps, it is all more clear: considering the situation only from March 1940: light-gray collar patches with three-sided dark-green piping.
          From your pictures so we would have (from right to left):
          a high-grade beamte a.k. (Kriegsverwaltungsrat) with golden Litzen and a golden central stripe;
          a medium-grade beamte a.k. (Kriegsverwaltungsinspektor - officer's rank) with aluminum Litzen and a dark-green central stripe;
          a low-grade beamte a.k. (Kriegsverwaltungsassistent - NCO's rank) with dark-grey Litzen and a dark-green center stripe.
          The only thing I still can not explain to me is the clear band of the general's visor in the image 21. At this point a grau-blau, apparently so clear by the lighting?

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            #35
            Schirmmutzen von Militaerbeamten - wie bei aktiven HV-Beamten, nur Besatzstreifen graublau

            Ja, in der Tat "graublau" - von "hellgrau" und "hellblaugrau" bis "dunkelgrau"

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              #36
              You say that the visors of the Military Beamter, as for the active HV-Beamten, bore only grau-blau bands, which could vary from hell-grau and hellblau-grau up to dunkel-grau. At this point the man in the left foreground of picture n. 21 would be a Beamte der Militaerverwaltung equated to a General.

              A last thing, just to close the circle: returning to the visor of image n. 4 and excluding any reference to a kriegsdauer's one or to a some other problems, do you think in theory it could be like that of shot n. 21? I ask you this just to make clear to you my thoughts and not a riddle.

              For my part, I tell you that I do not like the fabric and the green color of the intermediate piping; furthermore the band seems to me a color imitation of the kriegsdauers' one or even (but only as an example because I will not make confusion between different subjects) of the Sonderfuhrers.

              Thank you and best regards

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                #37
                Die Schirmmuetze (Bild 4) entspricht der Beschreibung der des Generals fuer Militaerverwaltung (Beamte a.K. im Generalsrang gab es nicht)

                Die Ausfuehrung (Bild 4) finde ich aber fraglich, scheint mir aus verschiedenen Teilen zusammengestellt zu sein.

                Ich habe es schon mehrmals bei dieser Auktion erlebt: man verkauft irgendeine Sammlung oder einen Nachlass (zum Beispiel von Mollo) und behauptet alles original zu sein. Das stimmt generell nicht.

                Sammlungen haben "Luecken", und viele Sammler haben nichts dagegen, die fehlenden Effekte durch gute Kopien oder Nachmachungen zu ersetzen. So entstehen fragliche Angebote, die mit der Zeit ueber Auktionen als echte verkauft werden. Finde ich selbstverstaendlich, die Auktionen haben im Auftrag zu verkaufen, die Fachmeinung steht nicht auf der 1. Stelle.

                Gruss
                Andrej

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                  #38
                  Hallo Andrej

                  I agree with you and I thank you very much for your friendly help. I think we finally examined thoroughly a very obscure subject

                  Best regards

                  Marcello

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                    #39
                    Hallo Andrej

                    wenn ich das Jetzt richtig verstanden habe gab es so eine Mütze nur
                    halt nicht als Beamter auf Kriegsdauer

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                      #40
                      Finally, the translation of the last Andrej's post for our friends who do not speak German:

                      “ The visor in figure 4 corresponds to the description of a Militaerverwaltung General (the Officials a. K. did not have the rank of General). I find questionable its manufacture and it seems to me as collected from different parts. I have had already several times this auction’s experience: to sell a collection or to get a discount (for example from Mollo), all is claimed to be original. This is not true in general. Collections have "holes" and many collectors, not with the intention of lying, but they replace the missing effects with good copies. This results in occasions of doubt, when these effects are sold in the course of time in a sale as genuine. I think that the auction houses have to sell and the opinion to educate people is not in the first place for them. “

                      I really liked this thread it and I hope another similar for another obscure subject, on which there is often still some confusion: the Sonderfuhrer ...

                      Thank you all

                      Marcello

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                        #41
                        I just registered for the HH auction, and to answer the question of the OP, no, it is NOT possible:
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                          #42
                          Not possible
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by enorepap View Post
                            Thank you all
                            Marcello

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                              #44
                              Likewise....
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                                #45
                                Dude, where's my stirndruckfrei?:
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